Affirmative Action Nobel Prize
The Messiah won the Nobel Peace Prize.
President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.
His greatest accomplishment was bringing hope into our lives!
The Norwegian Nobel Committee lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama’s calls for peace and cooperation but recognized initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
“Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future,” said Thorbjoern Jagland, chairman of the Nobel Committee.
Still, the U.S. remains at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Congress has yet to pass a law reducing carbon emissions and there has been little significant reduction in global nuclear stockpiles since Obama took office.
Of course the whole thing is PC dog and pony show. It went to Gore in 2006 for raising awareness about global warming and Mandela in 93 for destroying South Africa. You’d think that they’d hide the 19 year old girl side of themselves better though.
Just count this as another thing to look back and laugh at when this country permanently falls to second world living standards under our first black president.
Update: Headline on CNN: Rollins: Obama must now ‘earn’ Nobel Peace Price. Aren’t you supposed to earn it before you win it?
Update 2: Take a look at the Nobel Committee. Four women and one man, all very Nordic and delicate looking. In The 10,000 Year Explosion, Cochran and Harpending hope that one day bio-history will be established as a field of inquiry. One of the most interesting questions will certainly be whether the Vikings were domesticated through a long period of civilization. They undoubtably are more prone to liberalism than other whites.
Update 3: I’ve been thinking and there is one thing Obama’s done for world peace that nobody’s considered. He beat war-loving lunatic John McCain in the last election and stopped him from becoming president. Or maybe they should’ve given the award to whomever ran McCain’s campaign.
Comments (page 1 of 3)
Oct 9, 2009 10:22 am |
It’s lutefisk!
Oct 9, 2009 2:57 pm |
At what point does something like a Nobel Peace Prize lose all credibility?
Oct 9, 2009 5:26 pm |
I’m going to have to say either 1901 or 1902.
Oct 9, 2009 9:12 pm |
This year’s Nobel Prize winners were all white and Asian scientists who made seminal discoveries… plus the black guy who inspires “hope.”
This reminds me of an article James Edwards posted a couple months ago. A restaurant chain called Firehouse Subs issued special “hero cups” to honor firemen who displayed “incredible acts of bravery” to save others. They chose 5 heroes to honor. The first four honorees were white men who rescued people from life-and-death situations. The fifth was a black woman whose heroic act was “spearheading a community-based program to strengthen fire safety education for seniors.”
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/08/25/firehouse-subs-chain-mocks-heroic-firemen/
Oct 10, 2009 6:35 am |
Maybe those Nobel committee members are really Jewish.
Oct 10, 2009 6:41 am |
Interestingly there have been lots of people, like Neville Chamberlain in 1938, who had plenty of hope to give.
As far as I know, Chamberlain’s visit to see Hitler did not really turn hope into reality, so maybe wiser heads than mine could recognize that his efforts weren’t hopeful at all and avoided handing over the prize. However the record of the awards isn’t great: the 1910 award to the “Permanent International Peace Bureau” didn’t work too well, either. Unless permanent means four years.
But the Won can now prove many of us wrong by demonstrating peace and earning the award. But if you don’t achieve, do you have to return the prize with an apology?
Oct 10, 2009 11:35 am |
This may not exactly relate to this article, but I can’t let it pass.
WND.com lists headlines for it’s four different news categories. For the Diversions link the headlines are:
** Michelle Obama’s roots traced to Irish slave owner
** When the world gives you donkeys, make zebras
The first story is as one would expect; the other refers to a zoo with sham exotic animals.
What a sense of humor!!!
Oct 10, 2009 1:10 pm |
sabril said:
Maybe those Nobel committee members are really Jewish.
They gave the Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat in 1994.
B.B.
Oct 10, 2009 3:54 pm |
The Vikings are long gone. They:
1) Went to Iceland, Scotland, England, etc.
2) Died off in the Black Death (something like 60% of Scandinavians died in the Black Death).
3) Whatever Viking genes were left after the Black Death were swamped by other Germanic peoples moving northwards settling in areas where the Black Death decimated previous populations.
4) Went to the U.S. in the 1800s in droves. Whatever Viking genes that remained in Scandinavia at that time are probably now in Minnesota.
Clearly, there are some people in Scandinavia today who are the descendants of the Vikings, but many (I would guess most) are not.
Oct 10, 2009 4:34 pm |
sabril said:
Maybe those Nobel committee members are really Jewish.
They gave the Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat in 1994.
B.B.
B.B.,
sabril is being sarcastic.
sabril is one of those people who tries to argue against and attack those who consider seriously the idea that Jews hold quite a bit of (hostile) power and influence over Western society by mocking and ridiculing them.
They sarcastically mock by making snide comments blaming the Jews, in order to persuade people that those who take seriously the idea of (often hostile/pernicious) Jewish power and influence are foaming crazy bigots that schizophrenically see and blame Jews everywhere.
Mockery and ridicule used as a verbal/persuasive tactic is always basically the same. It’s to try to convince people to think that those who hold certain beliefs/ideas are foaming crazy bigots (or some other negative things/attributes), and since nobody really wants to be (or at least perceived by others to be) a foaming crazy bigot, people will shy away from even considering and taking seriously certain beliefs/ideas on their intellectual merits, let alone holding them.
Oct 10, 2009 9:27 pm |
Due to the fact that Norway has proportional representation and a Parlimentary democracy the average Norwiegen works off of the premise of one vote one dollar. In other words, you do not have to have marketable skills in Norway to earn a living. Many get buy simply by living on the dole or in some shitty job they cannot get fired from.
This has been like financial crack for the feminists and beta males. Since they do not have to strive much to have a good life they can simply live off of government benefits including health care and retirement. All they need to do is vote left of center. I have never been to Norway but I have known a fair number that have immigrated here. For the most part they are all ambitious and thought Norway boring and stultifying.
Oct 10, 2009 9:39 pm |
“sabril is being sarcastic”
Correct.
“sabril is one of those people who tries to argue against and attack those who consider seriously the idea that Jews hold quite a bit of (hostile) power and influence over Western society ”
Not quite right. What I am arguing against (and ridiculing) is the idea that the Jews are to blame for the West’s demographic and racial problems: the growing third world populations in North America and Western Europe; the worship of blacks; and so forth.
Whites who blame these problems on jews are just like blacks who blame AIDS, crack, and poverty on whites. i.e. they cannot accept the shortcomings of their group so they look for some outside group to blame.
Actually, Scandinavia is a pretty good counter-example. Take Sweden, which has essentially no Jews. Sweden is letting third-world Muslims pour in.
Of course, I don’t have any objection to those who consider the possibility that the Jews are to blame. Just like I don’t have any objection to those who consider the possibility that AIDS and crack are the result of white conspiracies against blacks. But anyone who actually subscribes to those ideas after thinking about them and looking at the evidence? They are worthy of ridicule.
Oct 10, 2009 10:24 pm |
@sabril,
The question isn’t whether Sweden has many Jews or not. The U.S. doesn’t have ‘many’ Jews, relative to it’s population.
To properly consider the hypothesis in question, the question is: what sort of influence do Jews have on Swedish culture or thought?
If you’ve been to Sweden, you will know that it is awash in American media. You will also know that it is significantly influenced by the rest of Western thought, especially English-language (in which most Swedes are now fluent), which in turn is heavily influenced by American thought.
Also, googling to find out who controls Swedish media brought up various interesting links when I just did it re: Jewish ownership. Interested in your thoughts on this.
Oct 10, 2009 10:59 pm |
Actually, Scandinavia is a pretty good counter-example. Take Sweden, which has essentially no Jews. Sweden is letting third-world Muslims pour in.
All of Western Europe has been essentially a US colony since 1945. Even Sweden was a de facto member of NATO during the Cold War.
On top of that the Sixties Cultural Revolution-which begat PC/Multiculti-started in the US and was quickly exported to Western Europe.
Critics as varied as “Mencius Moldburg” and Paul Gottfried will confirm what I have stated above. They both deny the primacy of Jewish influence, but the idea that Sweden-or any other part of Europe-was insulated from the effects of US hegemony is absurd.
It’s silly to blame the Jews for everything, but the rapid rise of Jews in the ranks of the post-1945 American elites is undeniable. See: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Kaufmann.html
Oct 10, 2009 11:04 pm |
…but the idea that Sweden-or any other part of Europe-was insulated from the effects of US hegemony is absurd.
The Eastern Bloc countries were-of course-somewhat immune from 1945-89.
Oct 11, 2009 12:26 am |
“Also, googling to find out who controls Swedish media brought up various interesting links when I just did it re: Jewish ownership. Interested in your thoughts on this.”
This is where ’sabril’ and other ‘guy white’ acolytes get noticably silent.
And hence *they* are worthy of ridicule, if they cannot or will not look at the evidence here.
Oct 11, 2009 2:39 am |
Not quite right. What I am arguing against (and ridiculing) is the idea that the Jews are to blame for the West’s demographic and racial problems: the growing third world populations in North America and Western Europe; the worship of blacks; and so forth.
I never said that Jews were the single cause or exclusively responsible.
Whites who blame these problems on jews are just like blacks who blame AIDS, crack, and poverty on whites. i.e. they cannot accept the shortcomings of their group so they look for some outside group to blame.
Blacks can’t blame whites for their own innately lower levels of intelligence, ability, and discipline that make them especially susceptible to disorder, chaos, AIDs, drugs, poverty, etc. Blacks require stricter discipline and rule to achieve an acceptable, civilized level of order and to avoid the ills listed above. The thing they can reasonably *blame* whites for is relinquishing rule, severe discipline, segregation, etc., and exposing them to their vulnerabilities.
Similarly, whites can’t blame Jews for things like their tendencies towards individualism, tolerance that make them vulnerable to certain pernicious ideas and cultural influences, or for not being vigilant enough in defense of their interests. But they certainly can and should acknowledge Jewish power, ability, and influence, and the harmful effects they have had.
Actually, Scandinavia is a pretty good counter-example. Take Sweden, which has essentially no Jews. Sweden is letting third-world Muslims pour in.
I see this example frequently invoked by people like you despite not really having any validity.
There are essentially no blacks in Japan. However, there is hip-hop music in Japan, a veritable industry of it in fact. There are Japanese youths who wear hip-hop clothing, affect Negro mannerisms, adopt their cultural patterns, etc.
Oct 11, 2009 2:56 am |
“Mockery and ridicule used as a verbal/persuasive tactic is always basically the same.”
It is also very underhanded, childish and cowardly.
And Jewish.
Oct 11, 2009 6:06 am |
“The question isn’t whether Sweden has many Jews or not. The U.S. doesn’t have ‘many’ Jews, relative to it’s population.”
The US is roughly 2% Jewish. Sweden? Less than one fifth of one percent. That’s an order of magnitude difference.
“If you’ve been to Sweden, you will know that it is awash in American media.”
Let’s assume that’s true. Would you agree that Japan is awash in American media? Would you agree that Switzerland is awash in American media? Would you agree that Argentina is awash in American media?
“Also, googling to find out who controls Swedish media brought up various interesting links when I just did it re: Jewish ownership. Interested in your thoughts on this.”
Then show me the links.
TIA.
Oct 11, 2009 6:12 am |
“This is where ’sabril’ and other ‘guy white’ acolytes get noticably silent.”
Ummm, I went to bed early last night. I am more than happy to discuss and debate the issue of Jewish influence over Sweden.
Oct 11, 2009 6:23 am |
“I never said that Jews were the single cause or exclusively responsible.”
And I never said you said it.
“Similarly, whites can’t blame Jews for things like their tendencies towards individualism, tolerance that make them vulnerable to certain pernicious ideas and cultural influences, or for not being vigilant enough in defense of their interests.”
The basic problem whites are having is competitive altruism. Within the white community, an individual can improve his standing by making a show of being nice to non-whites, especially blacks. So it turned into a contest to see who could kiss up to blacks the most. Until we got to the point where we are today where blacks are worshipped.
I suggest you read Ian Jobling’s article on competitive altruism.
“But they certainly can and should acknowledge Jewish power, ability, and influence, and the harmful effects they have had.”
Why? What about the harmful effects of heterosexuals? What about the harmful effects of smart people? Why single out the Jews?
“There are essentially no blacks in Japan. However, there is hip-hop music in Japan, a veritable industry of it in fact. There are Japanese youths who wear hip-hop clothing, affect Negro mannerisms, adopt their cultural patterns, etc.”
I’m not sure I understand your point, but let me ask you this: How exactly are the Jews influencing Japan?
Oct 11, 2009 9:05 am |
“‘Mockery and ridicule used as a verbal/persuasive tactic is always basically the same.’
It is also very underhanded, childish and cowardly.
And Jewish.”
I notice that in this very blog post, the blog owner refers to Obama as the “Messiah.” Of course, I personally believe that Obama (and Obamania) is worthy of mockery and ridicule.
But my question is this:
Will you criticize the blog owner for being underhanded, childish, cowardly, and “Jewish”?
Oct 11, 2009 11:25 am |
Sorry that no one here reads Israeli papers. We in Israel are very much aware that giving the Nobel Prize to Barack Obama is not good for Israel. Basically, the Norwegians are trying to influence the American President to “make peace” and leave Afganistan (to the Taliban fanatics), and Iraq (to several extreme Antiamerican movements), to let Iran “in peace” to build nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, and so on. The Europeans have adopted a cowardly, defeatist, pacifist policy, hoping to avoid conflicts and wars by always giving in to the Islamic jihad. I hope the prize will no go to Obama’s head and start thinking of himself as some kind of Angel of Peace with a mission to bring hope and salvation to humanity.
Oct 11, 2009 12:52 pm |
The basic problem whites are having is competitive altruism. Within the white community, an individual can improve his standing by making a show of being nice to non-whites, especially blacks. So it turned into a contest to see who could kiss up to blacks the most. Until we got to the point where we are today where blacks are worshipped.
We’re discussing causes, not effects.
I suggest you read Ian Jobling’s article on competitive altruism.
I love how Jews/philo-Semites will denigrate and dismiss Kevin MacDonald, a specialist in evolutionary psychology, and his scholarship to no end, but then turn around and point to a humanities hack with an English degree like Jobling, whose main purpose is catering to Jews, on a topic of sociobiology. That’s chutzpah for you, I guess.
I’m not sure I understand your point, but let me ask you this: How exactly are the Jews influencing Japan?
Don’t be coy. It’s an analogy, and you know that.
Oct 11, 2009 12:55 pm |
@sabril,
Here’s one link chosen at random from the search query “jewish media sweden”:
http://www.mosaisk.com/Torben-Lund/Bonnier-Hjorne-Klein-Jewish-Media-Scandinavia.php
I haven’t been to Japan, Switzerland, or Argentina, so it’s difficult for me to comment on those countries.
Oct 11, 2009 1:59 pm |
“I love how Jews/philo-Semites will denigrate and dismiss Kevin MacDonald”
I’m not sure if this comment is addressed to me, but I don’t recall ever making a comment about Kevin MacDonald, one way or another. In any event, his arguments must stand or fall on their own merits. Just like the arguments made by Ian Jobling.
“Don’t be coy. It’s an analogy, and you know that.”
I know it’s an analogy, but I still don’t see your point. Would you care to lay it out explicitly?
Oct 11, 2009 2:09 pm |
Richard,
OT, but I was wondering if you were familiar with Jim Bowery’s writings. Bowery blogs on various sites, including here and at Majority Rights.
He has an essay called “Race, Gender and the Frontier” Part 1 and Part 2 that’s a pretty interesting theoretical perspective on alphas/betas, sexual dynamics, and human expansion/tech progress. It’s from 1992, so it prefigures all the recent “Game” blogs discussing this topic by quite a bit.
The essay forms the basis for Bowery’s later piece “Genetic Omni-Dominance Hypothesis” which is quite interesting as well.
Oct 11, 2009 2:51 pm |
The comment is addressed to you.
I know it’s an analogy, but I still don’t see your point. Would you care to lay it out explicitly?
Physical presence and numbers isn’t necessary, nor even that important.
Oct 11, 2009 3:46 pm |
“Here’s one link chosen at random from the search query ‘jewish media sweden’:”
I did searches on the people there, one by one, to see if I could independently verify whether or not they are Jewish. It’s not enough to show that someone is from a Jewish family, since many Gentiles have some Jewish blood. I looked for wedding pictures; funeral pictures; news articles; anything which would give a hint as to the person’s ethnicity/religion.
The first I found was Ake Bonnier, who is apparently a vicar in Stockholm. Ok, so maybe he is unrelated to the Bonnier family. Not likely, but still.
The second I found was Helle Klein. Apparently she is a priest in the Church of Sweden. So it seems she is pretty clearly a gentile with some Jewish blood.
Basically, my impression is that the page you linked to has been prepared by somebody who wants to wildly exaggerate the influence of Jews on Swedish media. I am skeptical of that page, to put it politely.
“I haven’t been to Japan, Switzerland, or Argentina, so it’s difficult for me to comment on those countries.”
I would say it’s pretty likely that US culture has had a pretty big impact in all of these places. Our movies are popular there; people drink coca cola; and so on.
Oct 11, 2009 3:50 pm |
“Physical presence and numbers isn’t necessary, nor even that important.”
Ok, then what exactly is important? How would I assess the Jewish influence, country by country?
And since physical presences and numers are not important, can we agree that the large number of Jews in positions of political and administrative leadership in the United States is irrelevant to the question of Jewish influence?
Oct 11, 2009 3:52 pm |
errr, “not important” should have been “not that important.” “irrelevant” should be “not that relevant”
Oct 11, 2009 4:11 pm |
@sabril,
I’m trying to better understand your position. Do you think, for example, that Jews had significant influence on the changing of immigration legislation in the U.S. in the 1960s? (This seems like a clear-cut case of Jewish influence on immigration policy.) Similarly, do you think that they hold considerable influence in U.S. media, culture, and legal thinking, and that this in turn has a significant impact on people not just in the U.S. but around the world?
Or do you deny these things, not think them relevant, or something else?
Oct 11, 2009 4:44 pm |
“Similarly, do you think that they hold considerable influence in U.S. media, culture, and legal thinking, and that this in turn has a significant impact on people not just in the U.S. but around the world?”
Sure, but I don’t think it’s specifically the Jews’ fault that we’re in the mess we are in. The problem is that urban, educated, intelligent people in the West are competing with eachother to show how hip and tolerant they are by kissing up to the third world and its people. Since Jews tend to be disproportionately urban, intelligent and well educated, there is a big Jewish presence in all of the PC liberal nonsense which has swept the world in the last 40 or 50 years.
Thus, in the USA, many of the politicians I hate the most are Jewish, for example Chuck Schumer. But there are plenty of gentile politicians I hate, for example the late Teddy Kennedy. And if there were far fewer Jews in the US, there would be plenty of Gentiles willing to engage in the same liberal nonsense. Which is what is happening in places like Sweden.
Does that make things clear?
Oct 11, 2009 5:15 pm |
And since physical presences and numers are not important, can we agree that the large number of Jews in positions of political and administrative leadership in the United States is irrelevant to the question of Jewish influence?
I specifically said that “physical presence and numbers isn’t necessary, nor even that important.”
Physical presence isn’t necessary as cultural products, memes, ideologies, etc., can be transmitted across borders, through the media and other means. Like I said above, there are virtually no Negroes in Japan. Yet there are Japanese youths who wear hip-hop clothing, affect Negro mannerisms, adopt their cultural patterns, etc.
Numbers aren’t necessary, nor that important since small groups can have a disproportionate impact.
Your statement about Jewish overrepresentation in political and administrative leadership is precisely my point. Jews are a very small part of the general population (~2%), yet they exert disproportionate influence and power over the general population through their overrepresentation and concentration in certain fields and positions. Furthermore, Jews are intelligent and able enough to exert great influence even if their numbers are quite low in particular positions. A large number means that much greater influence.
Oct 11, 2009 5:28 pm |
“Numbers aren’t necessary, nor that important since small groups can have a disproportionate impact.”
I’m a little confused about your point.
The United States has a lot of Jews serving as senior elected officials and senior appointed officials. This is often pointed to as proof of strong Jewish influence over the United States.
However, there are other countries which do not have this sort of heavy Jewish representation in positions of power. The logical inference is that Jews have weak or no influence over such countries.
The argument I think I am hearing is that heavy representation in government actually isn’t very important; what matters is some sort of cultural influence.
If that’s true, then it follows that heavy Jewish representation in American government is a red herring.
Oct 11, 2009 5:30 pm |
@sabril,
Yes, that makes things more clear. Interesting.
Follow-up question: do you think that the specific history of Jewish-Americans (or Jews in general vis a vis exclusion or hostility towards “Gentile” society) tends to inform their views about immigration, or other cultural or moral issues related to Christianity? That is, it seems reasonable to me that people of Jewish descent share certain fears, concerns, sensibilities, or whatever, that go beyond boilerplate elite liberaldom. So, do you think it’s reasonable to say they are not just liberal elites (when they are – most Jews are not elites, even if most in the U.S. seem to be liberal if voting trends are an indication), but liberal elites+, or something like that?
Oct 11, 2009 5:43 pm |
“So, do you think it’s reasonable to say they are not just liberal elites (when they are – most Jews are not elites, even if most in the U.S. seem to be liberal if voting trends are an indication), but liberal elites+, or something like that?”
I don’t know. I’m willing to entertain the possibility that some kind of tradition of liberalism among Jews exacerbates the problem a bit. But then I look at what the gentiles are doing in places like Sweden and I see them eagerly racing to be the first ones over the liberal cliff.
Oct 11, 2009 5:52 pm |
The United States has a lot of Jews serving as senior elected officials and senior appointed officials. This is often pointed to as proof of strong Jewish influence over the United States.
It’s one indication among others.
However, there are other countries which do not have this sort of heavy Jewish representation in positions of power. The logical inference is that Jews have weak or no influence over such countries.
This inference only holds if Jewish influence is simply a function of “heavy Jewish representation in positions of power” in government. It isn’t. I’ll bring up the Japan example for the umpteenth time. In Japan, not only is there a lack of heavy Negro representation in music, there is NO Negro representation. This does not mean that Negroes and Negro culture have weak or no influence on Japanese culture. There is hip-hop music in Japan, a veritable industry of it in fact. There are Japanese youths who wear hip-hop clothing, affect Negro mannerisms, adopt their cultural patterns, etc.
The argument I think I am hearing is that heavy representation in government actually isn’t very important; what matters is some sort of cultural influence.
If that’s true, then it follows that heavy Jewish representation in American government is a red herring.
Nope. These aren’t mutually exclusive. Power and influence can be expressed and wielded through politics, culture, finance, etc.
Oct 11, 2009 5:58 pm |
“It’s one indication among others.”
“These aren’t mutually exclusive. Power and influence can be expressed and wielded through politics, culture, finance, etc”
Then again my question: How exactly would one assess the Jewish influence, country by country?
Oct 11, 2009 6:15 pm |
I don’t know. I’m willing to entertain the possibility that some kind of tradition of liberalism among Jews exacerbates the problem a bit. But then I look at what the gentiles are doing in places like Sweden and I see them eagerly racing to be the first ones over the liberal cliff.
See the video here.
The cricket is eagerly racing to go over the cliff (or in this case, pool ledge). This doesn’t mean that the worm has no role whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact. Perhaps a crude example, but the point still stands.
Oct 11, 2009 6:25 pm |
@sabril,
“I don’t know. I’m willing to entertain the possibility that some kind of tradition of liberalism among Jews exacerbates the problem a bit.”
Ok, I think I basically agree with you here, then. My reading of the situation is that, whether because of their ethnic and religious backgrounds or because they happen to be more “intellectual” (I think it’s both), Jews have had a disproportionate hand in propagating forms of “liberalism” over the past 50 years, such as agitating for ethnically diverse immigration.
So, one can say that a cause is Jews, or one can say that a cause is liberal elites doing whatever they’re doing for whatever generic status-conscious reasons they might do it (I think this is somewhat correct), and both can be right.
In the case of a place like Sweden, these views are reinforcing, not contradictory. Elite, liberal Jews have had a significant impact (most definitely indirectly, and perhaps directly as well), and elite, liberal Europeans (for lack of a better word) have also had a significant impact.
Oct 11, 2009 6:30 pm |
“Perhaps a crude example, but the point still stands.”
Well the burden of proof is on you.
Yet again my question:
How exactly would one assess the Jewish influence, country by country?
Oct 11, 2009 7:34 pm |
“The basic problem whites are having is competitive altruism. Within the white community, an individual can improve his standing by making a show of being nice to non-whites, especially blacks. So it turned into a contest to see who could kiss up to blacks the most. Until we got to the point where we are today where blacks are worshipped.”
This is true. I live in a country with virtually no Jews, but which is extremely liberal on race issues & has a very egalitarian ethos.
Oct 11, 2009 7:40 pm |
Well the burden of proof is on you.
Sorry, but it’s on you. I’m the one holding the common sense position.
“How exactly would one assess the Jewish influence, country by country?”
Good question.
How do you assess any particular group’s influence, country by country, whether it be ethnic (Jews, overseas Chinese), religious (Evangelicals, Scientologists, Muslims), economic (capitalists, labor unions, financiers), age demographic (the elderly), special interests (gun owners) etc.?
There isn’t one true, perfect, method of assessing influence and power. Various methods can be brought to bear on the question, and further scholarship is always needed. There are whole university departments and academics devoted to assessing the power and influence of some of the groups mentioned above. Jews aren’t exactly the common objects of this sort of inquiry for obvious reasons. MacDonald, and perhaps Walt & Mearsheimer, are really the only ones in recent memory. MacDonald describes one particular methodology here that he used in one of his books.
100 years ago, there was no doubt regarding WASPs’ power and influence, indeed supremacy over American society. Simply counting them would have sufficed in arriving at this conclusion. You could havve supplemented a count by analyzing financial relationships, interests, flows, relationships with politicians and government, presence in and domination of culture, correspondence between their values and those promulgated and accepted by the wider culture/populace, etc. These methods would have made one conclude that WASPs’ power and influence was quite extensive. You could conduct a similar assessment today, but you would arrive at a quite different conclusion. You might reply that Jewish power and influence is nowhere near as extensive as that of WASPs a century ago, and that’s certainly possible (though difficult to judge precisely), but it’s definitely nothing to laugh at.
Oct 11, 2009 8:03 pm |
“I’m the one holding the common sense position. ”
It’s common sense that Jews are causing Sweden to allow Muslims to flood into their country? You gotta be kidding me.
Anyway, you haven’t described how to measure or assess Jewish influence, besides some vague generalities. Apparently it has something to do with the number of Jews in positions of power. Except when it doesn’t. And it has something to do with American influence. Except when it doesn’t.
This is starting to remind me of debates I have over the causes of black failure. Which is caused by whitey keeping the black man down. Except in Haiti where it’s the result of the legacy of slavery. Except that in Nigeria it’s the result of colonization. Except that in Ethiopia, it’s the result of . . . well something else. Maybe the Jews.
In each case, people would prefer to blame some vague, constantly-shifting influence which is difficult to measure or pin down, rather than face the simple explanation which is is not flattering to their group.
Oct 11, 2009 8:33 pm |
I really have alot to say about Jews, but I’ll just interject a few things into this discussion.
There’s apparently about 28,000 blacks in japan: http://hbdbooks.com/2009/08/black-crime-around-the-world/
The case of rap music and american media in Japan brings to mind something funny I’ve thought of about jews. Many people who believe jews are collectively working towards a conscious effort to undermine the west will point to jewish over-representation in things like the LGBT movement, pornography etc. You know, sexual liberalism. Inherently bad cultural movements that undermine western values.
You know, it does seem true that jews are grossly over-represented in these areas. Except it doesn’t seem to work well, at all, in face of the idea that jews are hyper-ethnocentric and love to marry within the tribe.
Tell me this- just how do jews who promote equality and acceptance of sexual behaviors that are inherently against reproduction have solidarity with the genetic continuation of the jewish population? Gays don’t usually have kids outside of invitro fertilization. I suppose all of those jews in the LGBT movement aren’t really gay, bi, transexual etc. at all and are just pretending to be so. Maybe lots of gay male jews are only adopting jewish kids. Maybe lots of lesbian jews are getting fertilized from jewish males.
Does this make sense to you? Does it sound even likely to you?
It’s even more ridiculous when it comes to porn. Just why would a people so obsessed with their genetic solidarity be working in a field that’s anathema to traditional sexual values? I’m not just talking about the porn directors. I’m talking about the porn stars too. Did Ron Jeremy exclusively have sex with jewish women throughout his career?
This also ignoring how people who push this off seem to act as if the pornography industry is just a few big conglomerates peddling out porn, never seeming to concieve of how the internet has made it so anybody can make porn.
It also brings to mind how “openness to experience”, a major dimension of personality, is strongly correlated with liberal political beliefs, and also lowered ethnocentrism.
Look it up yourself. Many of the things jews do line up so perfectly with traditional measures of O. Are they somehow exempt from the ethnocentric component?
And then we could also bring up the issue of the massive rates of out marriage among jews (I’m sure alot of you have run into mixed jews before. You no doubt know of some of them in your wanderings with “HBD”. Jensen is half-jewish. Gottfriend is part jewish. Sailer is part jewish. Half Sigma is half jewish. Levin is jewish, the JTF are, well, jewish, and are basically white nationalists, etc.)
I don’t think it can be denied jews have had overt influence in many liberal lines of thinking over the decades, but I just think it’s inane to think this is some kind of collective, orchestrated movement with malicious intent on the part of jews. It’s just a powerful people who likely have high average O personalities, with their very high IQ’s also being a partial explanation for their dominance. Are there “supremacist” jews out there or those who fit the mold of being anti-gentile? Certainly. But they’re in the minority.
Oct 11, 2009 8:36 pm |
By the way, over-representation doesn’t imply dominance, or some sort of conspiratorial proportions.
I also mentioned Japan because, damn, they have one of the most bizzare sexual subcultures on the planet with barely any jews in their entire population. Here’s just one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan#Culture
I’m not going to go into details. It’s kind of akward to discuss these things on this kind of blog. Follow the wiki article and google things.
Oct 11, 2009 8:38 pm |
…And I warn you on some of the things you’d turn up. I really do warn you.
Oct 11, 2009 8:44 pm |
Oh, my mistake, and Hoste’s as well- there’s about 10,000 blacks who permanently live in Japan, and there were 18,000 visiting ones in that year alone.
Oct 11, 2009 8:47 pm |
“the JTF are, well, jewish, and are basically white nationalists,”
Interestingly, the JTF’s position is that Jews in America should not vote or hold elected office. They also support ending US aid to Israel.
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