Affirmative Action Nobel Prize
The Messiah won the Nobel Peace Prize.
President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.
His greatest accomplishment was bringing hope into our lives!
The Norwegian Nobel Committee lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama’s calls for peace and cooperation but recognized initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
“Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future,” said Thorbjoern Jagland, chairman of the Nobel Committee.
Still, the U.S. remains at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Congress has yet to pass a law reducing carbon emissions and there has been little significant reduction in global nuclear stockpiles since Obama took office.
Of course the whole thing is PC dog and pony show. It went to Gore in 2006 for raising awareness about global warming and Mandela in 93 for destroying South Africa. You’d think that they’d hide the 19 year old girl side of themselves better though.
Just count this as another thing to look back and laugh at when this country permanently falls to second world living standards under our first black president.
Update: Headline on CNN: Rollins: Obama must now ‘earn’ Nobel Peace Price. Aren’t you supposed to earn it before you win it?
Update 2: Take a look at the Nobel Committee. Four women and one man, all very Nordic and delicate looking. In The 10,000 Year Explosion, Cochran and Harpending hope that one day bio-history will be established as a field of inquiry. One of the most interesting questions will certainly be whether the Vikings were domesticated through a long period of civilization. They undoubtably are more prone to liberalism than other whites.
Update 3: I’ve been thinking and there is one thing Obama’s done for world peace that nobody’s considered. He beat war-loving lunatic John McCain in the last election and stopped him from becoming president. Or maybe they should’ve given the award to whomever ran McCain’s campaign.
Comments (page 2 of 3)
Oct 11, 2009 8:59 pm |
I’m really not sure about alot of the JTF’s positions. They trash on blacks, arabs, hispanics and the like all the time but talk constantly about white and jewish rights. Just look at their forums, albeit there’s alot of hardcore racist types.
They’re generally a bunch of goddamn lunatics, though. Real sick people, not surprising considering its led by a former terrorist who’s banned from Israel.
Here’s a fun video of a thread on their forums talking about destroying Mecca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6wfNl9VLo
I’m not using them as “sane” representatives of jewish activism or whatever- it’s just that they seem to uphold the interests of whites.
Oct 11, 2009 9:46 pm |
Boyd,
Thanks, I’m reading Bowery now.
Oct 12, 2009 12:49 am |
It’s common sense that Jews are causing Sweden to allow Muslims to flood into their country? You gotta be kidding me.
It’s common sense to recognize and acknowledge substantial Jewish power and influence. What isn’t common sense, but is completely delusional, is to believe that Jews are somehow the innocent bystanders of history quietly following the zeitgeist and the gentiles.
Anyway, you haven’t described how to measure or assess Jewish influence, besides some vague generalities.
Yes, there is no single magic formula that perfectly measures Jewish influence and power. Just as there is no single magic formula that perfectly measures any particular group’s influence and power, whether it be an ethnic (Jews, overseas Chinese), religious (Evangelicals, Scientologists, Muslims), economic (capitalists, labor unions, financiers), age demographic (the elderly), or special interest (gun owners) group. Does that mean no particular group possesses any influence or power? We aren’t talking about mathematical proof-like precision here.
Apparently it has something to do with the number of Jews in positions of power. Except when it doesn’t. And it has something to do with American influence. Except when it doesn’t.
Does the universe only consist of mutually exclusive categories to you?
This is starting to remind me of debates I have over the causes of black failure. Which is caused by whitey keeping the black man down. Except in Haiti where it’s the result of the legacy of slavery. Except that in Nigeria it’s the result of colonization. Except that in Ethiopia, it’s the result of . . . well something else. Maybe the Jews.
There’s that mockery and ridicule thing we talked about early on in this thread. Insinuate that whites entertaining or holding certain ideas/beliefs are acting just like foolish Negroes. Since whites, especially racially conscious or nationalist ones, generally don’t want to be like (or at least perceived by others to be like) foolish Negroes, the aim is that whites will shy away from entertaining or holding those ideas/beliefs. Try being more subtle next time.
In each case, people would prefer to blame some vague, constantly-shifting influence which is difficult to measure or pin down, rather than face the simple explanation which is is not flattering to their group.
I repeat myself: I never said that Jews were the single cause or exclusively responsible.
I’m not blaming “some vague, constantly-shifting influence.” I am recognizing and acknowledging the power and influence of a concrete entity, a specific ethnic group.
Incidentally, this statement would apply pretty well to Jews. The idea that Jews are the innocent bystanders of history, supremely moral, completely passive and lacking any agency whatsoever, and always merely reacting to the goyim who endlessly persecute them, is a major part of Jewish identity. They certainly prefer to blame something or someone else rather than “face the simple explanation which is not flattering to their group.”
Oct 12, 2009 12:54 am |
Tell me this- just how do jews who promote equality and acceptance of sexual behaviors that are inherently against reproduction have solidarity with the genetic continuation of the jewish population?
Organisms are adaption executors, not fitness maximizers.
Within a given territory, you can promote genetic interests not simply by promoting reproduction of one’s own group, but by decreasing (or keeping in check) the reproduction of another group.
Diaspora Jews have never out-reproduced their hosts. It would’ve been quite maladaptive for, say, Medieval Ashkenazim to dramatically outgrow their gentile hosts. For one thing, they were restricted to only certain occupations and fields, and unable to own land and farm. There are only so many money lenders, tax collectors, etc., that can be supported in society. For a despised and persecuted group, dramatically growing in population would’ve likely been an invitation to slaughter, perhaps genocide. Certain things were selected for (some conjectures here, here, and here), but it’s unlikely that hyper-natalism involving population growth above and beyond their gentile hosts was selected for. Remember, there’s more than one way of promoting a group’s genetic interests.
And then we could also bring up the issue of the massive rates of out marriage among jews
There was plenty of out marriage during the early part of the diaspora into Europe as well.
I don’t think it can be denied jews have had overt influence in many liberal lines of thinking over the decades, but I just think it’s inane to think this is some kind of collective, orchestrated movement with malicious intent on the part of jews. It’s just a powerful people who likely have high average O personalities, with their very high IQ’s also being a partial explanation for their dominance. Are there “supremacist” jews out there or those who fit the mold of being anti-gentile? Certainly. But they’re in the minority.
Jews have interests, just like any other organism. I don’t believe that Jews necessarily have some sort of innate tendency towards liberalism. Jews have an innate tendency to pursue their own interests, just like any other organism. This doesn’t mean that they are always successful, or always correctly pursuing their interests. I believe it’s quite possible that Jews may become less liberal and more supportive of white nationalist type positions over time as the conditions and environment allows. Decades ago in a majority Nordic America, it was quite reasonably in Jewish interests (and detrimental to American interests) to promote liberalism, immigration, etc. In a much more homogeneous and Nordic America, Jews were much more of a visible minority and suffered mild discrimination, with the potential for greater persecution. Today, in a much less Nordic and much more diverse America, Jews blend in much more easily into the larger white population and are less of a visible minority compared to all the other groups such as Hispanics, Asians, etc. The potential threat is no longer composed of Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh types, or masses of Nordic Americans, but increasingly from immigrant Muslims, Hispanics, black crime, etc. An outfit like JTF is a response to this change.
Oct 12, 2009 1:35 am |
Cavendish said: “The idea that Jews are the innocent bystanders of history [and] merely reacting to the goyim who endlessly persecute them, is a major part of Jewish identity. They certainly prefer to blame something or someone else rather than “face the simple explanation which is not flattering to their group.””
Touché.
Oct 12, 2009 1:43 am |
@MK,
Which country, if I might ask?
Oct 12, 2009 2:02 am |
Cavendish said: “The idea that Jews are the innocent bystanders of history [and] merely reacting to the goyim who endlessly persecute them, is a major part of Jewish identity. They certainly prefer to blame something or someone else rather than “face the simple explanation which is not flattering to their group.””
“Touché.”
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Cavendish (and Anthony),
Touché indeed!
You all are cleaning house tonight! Wow.
Oct 12, 2009 6:54 am |
“It’s common sense to recognize and acknowledge substantial Jewish power and influence”
If that’s all you are saying, then fine, I agree with you. It seemed like you were assigning responsibility to Jews for things like Sweden’s folly.
Jews have a lot of power and influence. And white gentiles have a lot of power and influence too.
“Yes, there is no single magic formula that perfectly measures Jewish influence and power. ”
I’m not asking for a single perfect formula. Just a rough way of estimating would do. A quick and dirty rule. And you cannot even provide that.
“Does the universe only consist of mutually exclusive categories to you?”
No.
“There’s that mockery and ridicule thing we talked about early on in this thread.”
So what? The owner of this blog ridiculed Obama by referring to him as the “messiah.” Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not.
The fact is that white nationalists who blame their problems on Jews are exactly like black activists who blame their problems on whites.
No doubt the black people in Zimbabwe and South Africa whine(d) about the disproportionate influence and power exerted by white people.
“Incidentally, this statement would apply pretty well to Jews. The idea that Jews are the innocent bystanders of history, supremely moral, completely passive and lacking any agency whatsoever, and always merely reacting to the goyim who endlessly persecute them, is a major part of Jewish identity. They certainly prefer to blame something or someone else rather than ‘face the simple explanation which is not flattering to their group.’”
Well most human beings have a tendency to engage in that sort of behavior. So I would not be surprised to learn that there are Jews who cannot face the problems of their own group. Such Jews are just like blacks who blame all their problems on whites and whites who blame all their problems on Jews. Is this attitude a central part of Jewish idenity? I doubt it.
Oct 12, 2009 9:27 am |
More interesting to me-rather than debating the extent of Jewish influence for the 10,000th time-is the role of the US as the world capital of neo-Bolshevism:
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/oct/10/00033/
(…)
“Immigration reform for the benefit of Third World populations, followed by laws aimed at curbing discrimination against racial minorities and recognition of feminist and gay rights, began in the United States about ten to fifteen years earlier than in Western Europe.”
Far from being a bastion of church-going cultural conservatism, the United States has become the world leader of the culturally Marxist revolution, to the point of attempting to impose secular democracy and women’s rights on the Islamic world by force of arms. Gottfried rightly traces European cultural Marxism back to the American-designed re-education of the Germans after World War II, of which Habermas proudly proclaims himself an heir. If some European countries have now gone farther than the U.S. in making cultural Marxism the state ideology—any dissent from which risks a term in prison—America had much to do with injecting the poison into the European body politic. This time it was Horkheimer and Adorno who arrived on the sealed train.
(…)
Oct 12, 2009 12:58 pm |
If that’s all you are saying, then fine, I agree with you. It seemed like you were assigning responsibility to Jews for things like Sweden’s folly.
There are multiple causes. And there are both proximate and ultimate causes.
I’m not asking for a single perfect formula. Just a rough way of estimating would do. A quick and dirty rule. And you cannot even provide that.
First you complain that I’m being too vague and general with respect to the methodology used in assessing Jewish power and influence. Now you’re asking for “a rough way of estimating.” If you’re merely interested in rough ways of estimating and judging Jewish power and influence, I have provided more than enough above. Again, you can also see the work of MacDonald, and Walt & Mearsheimer, for more thorough methodologies.
So what? The owner of this blog ridiculed Obama by referring to him as the “messiah.” Is there anything wrong with that? Of course not.
Mockery and ridicule is a verbal and cultural tool/weapon. It’s not good or bad in and of itself. You judge it by examining the ends it serves.
Well most human beings have a tendency to engage in that sort of behavior.
Some more than others.
Is this attitude a central part of Jewish identity? I doubt it.
What I specifically said was the following: “The idea that Jews are the innocent bystanders of history, supremely moral, completely passive and lacking any agency whatsoever, and always merely reacting to the goyim who endlessly persecute them, is a major part of Jewish identity.”
This isn’t very unusual. Other diaspora groups such as the Gypsies have similar themes as a major part of their identity.
Anyway, I will be away until later in the week. So I won’t be able to respond further until then.
Oct 12, 2009 3:25 pm |
“The fact is that white nationalists who blame their problems on Jews are exactly like black activists who blame their problems on whites.”
No, it isn’t.
The White non-Jewish Founding Fathers of America founded a country where non-Jewish Americans in the 1800s and early 1900s were responsible for some of the world’s most amazing technological innovations, including the light bulb and heavier-than-air flight. This was prior to the mass immigration of Jews in the 1920s.
Therefore it can be concluded that, without Jews, White non-Jewish Americans are accomplished people who do well without any outside help.
Blacks have NEVER innovated or been successful. Without help of non-Blacks, Blacks always and everywhere live in squalor, disease and primitive housing.
For Blacks to blame Whites for “keepin’ ‘em down” is preposterous because, sans Whites, the Blacks were never, of their own doing, “up.”
But sans Jews, White non-Jews did fine. Now we’re not doing fine, and we have lots of Jews in extraordinarily influential positions. To hypothesize the Jews are keepin’ US down IS logically plausible.
Oct 12, 2009 3:26 pm |
“There are multiple causes. And there are both proximate and ultimate causes.”
I have no idea what your point is here.
“First you complain that I’m being too vague and general with respect to the methodology used in assessing Jewish power and influence. Now you’re asking for ‘a rough way of estimating.’”
Sure. Because you are trying to make use of the fallacy of the excluded middle. You are pretending that the only 2 choices for measuring Jewish influence are (1) the one true perfect method of precisely measuring Jewish influence and power; or (2) a method which is so vague as to be meaningless.
“Mockery and ridicule is a verbal and cultural tool/weapon. It’s not good or bad in and of itself. You judge it by examining the ends it serves.”
Sure. If it’s used against a position you support then it’s bad. If it’s used in favor of a position you support then it’s good. Is that pretty much it?
“Some more than others. ”
Sure. In my experience, blacks are the worst at engaging in self-criticism. Whites and Jews are among the best. Of course, every group has its idiots.
“This isn’t very unusual. Other diaspora groups such as the Gypsies have similar themes as a major part of their identity.”
If you would like to show evidence or proof of your conclusion, I would be happy to consider it.
Oct 12, 2009 3:56 pm |
“Therefore it can be concluded that, without Jews, White non-Jewish Americans are accomplished people who do well without any outside help.”
Agreed.
“Blacks have NEVER innovated or been successful. Without help of non-Blacks, Blacks always and everywhere live in squalor, disease and primitive housing.”
Agreed.
“To hypothesize the Jews are keepin’ US down IS logically plausible.”
Yes, if that’s the only evidence you look at. Similarly, if that’s the only evidence you look at, it’s logically plausible that the telephone is “keeping the US down” But it’s still a weak hypothesis if you look at the evidence in its totality.
If you look at the evidence in its totality, any reasonable person would be extremely skeptical that America’s problems are because of the Jews and extremely skeptical that black problems are because of whites.
And yet some people irrationally cling to these beliefs so as to avoid facing the shortcomings of their groups.
That’s the similarity.
Oct 12, 2009 3:57 pm |
NZ
Oct 12, 2009 3:58 pm |
“Comment by Anthony — October 12, 2009 @ 1:43 am
@MK,
Which country, if I might ask?”
NZ
Oct 12, 2009 5:09 pm |
“Organisms are adaption executors, not fitness maximizers.
Within a given territory, you can promote genetic interests not simply by promoting reproduction of one’s own group, but by decreasing (or keeping in check) the reproduction of another group.”
This is true, but the key here is that LGBT rights is inherently against genetic continuity for ANY group. I’m not saying it’s immoral, it’s just that it’s inherently against reproduction. The model of a conspiratorial aim of jewish involvement in the LGBT movement and other forms of sexual liberalism seems to act as if jews have some hardcore defense mechanism that makes them exempt from these influences, and that the jews involved with it are heavily, or purely in it for ethnic interests.
This is really hard to concede, again, with how so many of these practices are inherently against genetic continuity, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the jewish religion. No abrahamic religion believes in the moral ambiguity of pornography or homosexual marriage and the like. It’s basically saying jews are running around and promoting- no, even ENGAGING in behaviors directly against their religion, like being gay or working in porn.
The sort of conspiratorial backdrop that’d be required to account for and explain this- like maybe all those jews are pretending to be gay and the like, and that they, in reality, are apart of the coercive attack on western man and, behind their backs, are paying homage to jewish ethnocentrism- is so hilariously unlikely, convoluted, ridiculous, and unstable that we wouldn’t even be debating this, because a people like that would have had such an operation collapse ages ago, or it would be blatantly apparent.
I can’t imagine how someone would manage to work in jewish influence in porn with the one with homosexuality at all. The typical model of a jew sitting at the head of a civil rights organization, promoting “anti-white” sentiment, race mixing etc. is ALOT different from a jew on a porn set making porn, directing their gentile actors as to what to do, and even HAVING SEX with them is far, far different.
I’ll say again that the only reason why I’m focusing so much on something as odd as jewish involvement in LGBT and pornography is because jewish dominance in these fields is often cited as another example of a jewish attack on western civilization, and how it lines up so closely with many forms of liberalism etc. Really, go and google something like “jews in porn” or “jews and gays”, or look on David Duke’s site for an idea of this. It’s so stupid.
Oct 12, 2009 5:36 pm |
“Similarly, if that’s the only evidence you look at, it’s logically plausible that the telephone is “keeping the US down”
Huh? We don’t have telephones in extraordinarily influential positions.
But let’s try an experiment. Let’s hold all else the same and change one variable. Let’s do away with telephones.
Then let’s re-run the experiment, returning telephones and excluding Jews from influential jobs.
Let’s see which scenario leads to the greatest change in average living standards as measured by real purchasing power of the White American non-Jewish middle class.
I’m trying to look at the totality of the evidence. That’s why I read Haaretz, as well as Kevin MacDonald’s work, as well as your posts, Sabril.
Fact is: Bernie Madoff ran the single biggest scam of all time. Fact is: Rahm Emanuel is a dual citizen. These are just anecdotes, you say? Those pesky anecdotes keep piling up, it seems. How many anecdotes are required to lean the totality of evidence to a conclusion?
Oct 12, 2009 5:38 pm |
Huh? We don’t have telephones in extraordinarily influential positions.
Sorry. Rephrase: We don’t have telephones in extraordinarily influential positions. We have people in those positions — people who are, to an astonishing degree, based on their percentage of the overall population, Jewish.
I’m not indicating that powerful people don’t have telephones.
Oct 12, 2009 5:58 pm |
“The model of a conspiratorial aim of jewish involvement in the LGBT movement and other forms of sexual liberalism seems to act as if jews have some hardcore defense mechanism that makes them exempt from these influences, and that the jews involved with it are heavily, or purely in it for ethnic interests
these practices are inherently against genetic continuity, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the jewish religion”
I don’t see any contradiction here. The Jewish LBGTs could be atheists who do not practice, nor believe in, Judaism, yet still working FOR the ethnic genetic interests of their coethnics by, while not reproducing themselves as Jews, spreading among non-Jews non-reproductive sexual practices, thus decreasing the reproduction of their rivals not of the Jewish ethnicity. Perhaps the Jewish ethnicity really does, among those who are heterosexual reproducers, have some hardcore defense mechanism that makes them exempt from LBGT influences.
Oct 12, 2009 6:07 pm |
Perhaps the Jewish ethnicity really does, among those who are heterosexual reproducers, have some hardcore defense mechanism that makes them exempt from LBGT influences.
I agree that that’s likely. It applies to other Middle Easterners too. Whites are more prone to falling for feminism and homosexualism, just like how low IQ groups are more hurt by loosening of sexual mores.
On the other hand, the Jewish outmarriage rate is quite high. Isn’t it like 50%?
Oct 12, 2009 8:10 pm |
Hoste, I was joking. Did you mistype or misread? There’s alot of jews in the LGBT movement, but the idea of a conspiracy in that regard seems to act as if jews are immune from the LGBT influence, and the ones who actually do work in that domain are like secret agents.
Also, the jewish outmarriage rate isn’t that high, but still very high. Like I said, there’s loads of mixed-jews out there.
Oct 12, 2009 9:09 pm |
“We don’t have telephones in extraordinarily influential positions.”
So what? Pretty much every extraordinarily influential person uses a telephone regularly. 100 (150?) or so years ago, that was not true.
“But let’s try an experiment. Let’s hold all else the same and change one variable. ”
Sure, let’s do an experiment. Let’s find a Western nation with far fewer Jews per capita than the United States. . . . . like Sweden. Has Sweden managed to avoid the same self-imposed demographic problems as the US? Has Sweden managed to avoid the cult of multiculturalism? Doesn’t seem so.
“Fact is: Bernie Madoff ran the single biggest scam of all time. Fact is: Rahm Emanuel is a dual citizen. These are just anecdotes, you say? Those pesky anecdotes keep piling up, it seems. How many anecdotes are required to lean the totality of evidence to a conclusion?”
It depends what conclusion you are trying to reach. If your conclusion is that a disproportionate amount of American financial criminals are Jews, I would have to agree with you. Of course, a disproportionate amount of American financiers are Jews, so it’s hardly a surprise.
Oct 12, 2009 10:08 pm |
People are making too much out of outmarriage.
Outmarriage can be adaptive, especially for diaspora groups.
The history of the Jewish diaspora into different parts of the world has involved periods of both outmarriage/hybridization and consolidation.
There is definitely outmarriage between Jews and elite class Gentiles.
In a few generations it is plausible that virtually all of the elite overclass will be Jewish by blood or related to Jews by marriage. I don’t expect Jewish identity to disappear at that point, nor do I expect great degreea of outmarriage to persist. They won’t be seeking out non-elite whites, blacks, hispanos, and others after the elite class and genes have been effectively captured.
Oct 13, 2009 1:12 am |
“In a few generations it is plausible that virtually all of the elite overclass will be Jewish by blood or related to Jews by marriage. I don’t expect Jewish identity to disappear at that point, nor do I expect great degreea of outmarriage to persist. They won’t be seeking out non-elite whites, blacks, hispanos, and others after the elite class and genes have been effectively captured.”
Exactly, these “elite’ ‘gentiles” are the same traitorous gang that sold out their fellow kinsman in eastern Europe, and also to a fair degree in England, also known as ‘perfidious albion’, by intermarrying with the international alien banker elite who pretends they are a homogeneous “race” or tribe, but who really wants the best genes from the European peoples.
[...] Think about it. The ruination of Aryan Man through our mongrelization is the last major step towards Judah’s undisputed reign over this world. But once this is achieved it is only a reprieve from even the Mongrel-man evolving as a threat. But now once a significant gap is reached between the elite and their tools all the stops will be pulled out to maintain and increase this gap. Then as now Judah will extract the best of the Goyim as breeding stock to improve their still degenerate physical and spiritual traits. …
… The next tier of Goyim, then as now, will be left in circumstances where reproduction is minimized through feminism, materialism, and faggotry. The bottom tier, then and now, will be the most fecund and most prone to cross with “people of color”. Over time and with the help of all the technology money can buy the Master Race will not only distance itself from its fellow humans it will separate from them permanently – as man is now from livestock. [...]
http://fallenfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/08/speciation-nwo-end-game.html
This is why Jews, like it said in the ‘Eugenics Watch’ thread from this site, will pay a premium price to be and look as White, European and NORDIC as is possible, and as LEAST ’semitic’ as is humanly possible.
[...] In March of this year, a doctor said that we were six months away from parents being able to choose the eye and hair color of their babies. [...]
http://hbdbooks.com/2009/10/eugenics-watch/#respond
Gee, since no one is going to pay for dark hair and eyes, and since light hair and eyes are predominantly a North West Euro trait, NWEs really don’t have to fork over enormous sums of money to produce what they already possess.
This is also why, in spite of all the hullabaloo about their supposed disapproval of intermarriage, approximately 52% of them indeed outmarry (and not with Mestizos and ‘Schwartes’, but with North West Euros).
Even co-president Emanuel married himself a ’shiksa’. Go figure.
Oct 13, 2009 10:16 am |
“This is also why, in spite of all the hullabaloo about their supposed disapproval of intermarriage, approximately 52% of them indeed outmarry (and not with Mestizos and ‘Schwartes’, but with North West Euros).”
The simple explanation is that (1) smart people tend to marry other smart people; and (2) smart, urban, educated people tend to compete with eachother for moral and intellectual standing by kissing up to third world types.
Again the example of Sweden shows that the simple explanation is probably correct. There are apparently some elite gentiles in Sweden with some Jewish blood. What are the Swedish elites doing? They are allowing Muslims to flood in and overrun the country. How can this possibly be beneficial (or perceived as beneficial)to Jews?
Oct 13, 2009 1:27 pm |
“Sure, let’s do an experiment. Let’s find a Western nation with far fewer Jews per capita than the United States. . . . . like Sweden. Has Sweden managed to avoid the same self-imposed demographic problems as the US? Has Sweden managed to avoid the cult of multiculturalism? Doesn’t seem so.
There are apparently some elite gentiles in Sweden with some Jewish blood”
So Sweden doesn’t meet the test criteria for our experiment. Sweden has a few (part) Jews in influential positions (elites). I said no Jews in influential positions.
It’s still a viable hypothesis that the Jewishness is a dominant trait and Jewishness codes for race-replacement of Gentiles. So a Jewish-Gentile hybrids in Sweden may well be acting to eliminate the fully Gentile population by race replacement.
“If your conclusion is that a disproportionate amount of American financial criminals are Jews, I would have to agree with you. Of course, a disproportionate amount of American financiers are Jews, so it’s hardly a surprise.”
Ay, and there’s the rub. WHY are a disproportionate amount of financiers in America Jews? White non-Jews are smart enough that, without Jews, there exist enough White non-Jew really-smarts to fill and successfully carry out those positions. So the extraordinary overrepresentation of Jews is not sufficiently explained by the Jewish braininess hypothesis. There must be an additional factor at work. Nepotism/ ethnocentrism /hostility to hiring non-Jewish outsiders is an excellent candidate for that additional factor.
Oct 13, 2009 1:54 pm |
“So Sweden doesn’t meet the test criteria for our experiment. Sweden has a few (part) Jews in influential positions (elites). I said no Jews in influential positions. ”
I’m a little confused. Is it your hypothesis that having even one person with a little Jewish blood in one influential position out of thousands in a western democracy is basically equivalent to having hundreds of full blooded cultural Jews in such positions?
“White non-Jews are smart enough that, without Jews, there exist enough White non-Jew really-smarts to fill and successfully carry out those positions. So the extraordinary overrepresentation of Jews is not sufficiently explained by the Jewish braininess hypothesis”
I don’t see how your second sentence follows from the first. To be sure, white gentiles are smart enough to produce a good number of proficient financiers. But it’s not a situation where the banks first fill all their positions with qualified gentiles and only then start hiring Jews. Instead, it’s a competitive situation. And nowadays, intelligence plays an important role in that competition for various reasons.
I do agree that connections and nepotism also play a role in banking. It’s interesting to note that most of Madoff’s victims were Jewish.
Oct 13, 2009 2:03 pm |
“most of Madoff’s victims were Jewish.”
We don’t know this. We only know that most of the victims we’ve heard about in the media were Jewish.
“Instead, it’s a competitive situation. And nowadays, intelligence plays an important role in that competition for various reasons.”
Right. And since there ARE plenty of White, very smart, non-Jews, the extraordinary overrepresentation of Jews is evidence of an additional factor going on in the hiring.
Black howls of discrimination are bogus because there aren’t ENOUGH high-IQ blacks to be able to expect proportional representation, if high IQ is the defining characteristic.
There ARE enough smart Whites to expect proportional representation if high IQ is the defining characteristic.
Therefore, the fact that proportional representation of non-Jewish Whites in comparison to Jews does not exist IS evidence there’s another factor going into the hiring process.
Sweden’s multiculturalism is a very good argument FOR the single-cause theory that “it’s the Jews.”
Here’s why:
Prior to television and modern communications, the countries of the world, such as Sweden, France, Russia, Guatamala, etc., had their own, distinctive cultures. How they dressed, what they ate, the music they listen to — and political arrangements. Some countries had a monarch who ruled, some countries had a parliament, other countries just had chaos.
Now every White country the world over has all of a sudden, all at once, “for no discernable reason” decided to flood itself with hostile outsiders. When many people all get sick at the same time with the same symptoms, a single causal agent is the MOST likely thing. This is the basis upon which epidemiology is based.
American pop-culture in the form of movies, television and advertising has had a tremendous effect on the world. As said above, the world loves Coca-Cola and Levis and Hollywood movies. It’s not surprising they adopt the political views of Hollywood, too. Hollywood and the mainstream media is extraordinarily Jewish. This is an explanation for HOW Sweden got hold of its multicultural drug, even with nearly no Jews actually living there to act as “pushers.” That is, it was beamed in.
Oct 13, 2009 4:39 pm |
Whoa, some golden wisdom from Kuato.
“Exactly, these “elite’ ‘gentiles” are the same traitorous gang that sold out their fellow kinsman in eastern Europe, and also to a fair degree in England, also known as ‘perfidious albion’, by intermarrying with the international alien banker elite who pretends they are a homogeneous “race” or tribe, but who really wants the best genes from the European peoples.”
What do you mean by the “best genes”? The Ashkenazi are definitely much more intelligent, on average, than american whites.
“http://fallenfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/08/speciation-nwo-end-game.html”
You actually cite this trash realistically? Oh god. Aside from the hilarious idea of jews planning to use genetic technology to speciate themselves from the rest of humanity, and more inane claims about the “evil of the Talmud”, we have gems like this:
Hitler and Rockwell worship:
“So I can’t blame Judah for considering us sub-human. We shunned and murdered some of the greatest men nature could have blessed us with like Hitler and Rockwell; men who tried to wake us up when our chances of slaying this Beast were much more possible but as Christ long ago said, when we are shown light we instead prefer the darkness.”
Jews, when they speciate as a super race, plan to use the conquered goyim for genetic experiments, sex slaves etc.:
“Once we are speciated they will breed, cull, and use their stock as suits their purposes: worker drones, medical and scientific test objects, sexual slaves, gladiators; the possibilities are endless. It will be the end of all except the Chosen Ones.”
“This is why Jews, like it said in the ‘Eugenics Watch’ thread from this site, will pay a premium price to be and look as White, European and NORDIC as is possible, and as LEAST ’semitic’ as is humanly possible.”
Steinberg, who nobody here is certain of his ethnicity (it’s also a swedish and german name) only made groundbreaking works in genetic technology because he has a master plan to make jews look more nordic.
“Gee, since no one is going to pay for dark hair and eyes,”
YES! NOBODY likes dark hair and dark eyes! They’re such ugly traits. Everybody loves blonde hair and blue eyes and the like.
Man, I really can’t get enough of the hardcore nordic fethishism that so many white nationalists willingly embrace. That kind of elitism that permeates your philosophy is sickening.
I’d also like to mention that, in regards to Hoste’s comments on Frost’s work on the frequency of light hair and eyes among Europeans, Frost NEVER said either of those traits were intrinsically prefered. He spoke PURELY of their exotic quality.
“and since light hair and eyes are predominantly a North West Euro trait,”
Predominantly, yes, but not a universal trait. Look up maps of light hair and eye distributions in europe and the like. It increases drastically the farther you go away from scandinavia and the like, and since much supposed jewish influence goes on in North America, well, you do realize most of the white stock of the US is of Germanic and Irish origin, right?
You know, who have considerably less frequencies of these glorious nordic traits.
“NWEs really don’t have to fork over enormous sums of money to produce what they already possess.”
And alot of them don’t possess it. What about non-nordics? Here’s another fun fact: brown hair is the most common hair color among whites.
“This is also why, in spite of all the hullabaloo about their supposed disapproval of intermarriage, approximately 52% of them indeed outmarry (and not with Mestizos and ‘Schwartes’, but with North West Euros).
Even co-president Emanuel married himself a ’shiksa’. Go figure.”
First off, I’m pretty sure that figure is inaccurate, but no doubt the jewish rate of outmarriage is still very high.
But, that still isn’t a profound indictment of the idea of jews being generally hyper-ethnocentric, which isn’t kind of self refuting on the basis of the O dimension of personality typically correlating with lowered levels of ethnocentrism, and support of movements that are hilariously against many tenets of jewish religion and even genetic continuity. No, see, all those jews out marrying are doing it to infiltrate the european gene pool as apart of their world domination schemes. Virtually every jew that’s married and had kids with a non-jew really has jewish interests at heart. All the possiblities of actual love for their non-jewish mates, and children, and the like, are all lies because they’re secretly leading a double-life and paying lip service to the jewish NWO.
Do you seriously believe this shit? People like you paint jews as a sort of insectoid, virtually emotionless people with a hive mind mentality that all leads up to some depraved notion of world domination. You’re fucking insane.
Oct 13, 2009 4:45 pm |
And in regards to Dolan:
“Ay, and there’s the rub. WHY are a disproportionate amount of financiers in America Jews? White non-Jews are smart enough that, without Jews, there exist enough White non-Jew really-smarts to fill and successfully carry out those positions. So the extraordinary overrepresentation of Jews is not sufficiently explained by the Jewish braininess hypothesis. There must be an additional factor at work. Nepotism/ ethnocentrism /hostility to hiring non-Jewish outsiders is an excellent candidate for that additional factor.”
I’ve mentioned before how the amount of whites, worldwide with high IQ’s, grossly dwarves the amount of jews worldwide with high IQ’s. Yet jews dominate in many, many positions.
You talk about jewish discrimination against whites in the business world as a major factor. Then explain jewish dominance in many other fields where discrimination is far less likely. Like, Nobel Prizes.
I remember David Duke once said it was strongly due to jews in the Nobel Prize committee favoring jews. You know, jews are discriminating in fields where scientific and sociological expertise are what warrants such rewards.
I don’t know if he cited anything for that, but how can you defend this?
Oct 13, 2009 5:39 pm |
“What do you mean by the “best genes”? The Ashkenazi are definitely much more intelligent, on average, than american whites.”
Partially disagree Garnet.
For one, American and British Whites are one thing, but they are not the totality of the whole White race. Dysgenic effects are responsible for the lowering of their IQ over the past thirty or so years.
Secondly, Jews are not a full standard deviation in IQ above Whites. Much of the revised data on the ‘JewQ’ shows them to be around 109-10, not the mythical figures of 115-17. On top of that, Jews primarily excel in verbal IQ, less so in other dimensions of intelligence.
Additionally, there are many White groups, in America and in Europe, who score well over the much ballyhooed IQ number of 100, with ranges of 107-113.
Plus, due to their very high levels of mixture with East Euros (in Europe) and with NW Euros (in Britain and America), and especially due to the fact that Jews tend to mix with more intelligent and accomplished ‘gentiles’, it can just be as easily said that a good deal much of their genes, for intelligence and other traits that make so many people identify them as “White”, comes from the approximately 40% of their ancestry that is non-Jewish.
Oct 13, 2009 5:49 pm |
“I’ve mentioned before how the amount of whites, worldwide with high IQ’s, grossly dwarves the amount of jews worldwide with high IQ’s”
Is that really true?
Let’s assume that there are 10 million Ashkenazi Jews and a billion gentile whites. So that the Jews are outnumbered 100 to 1.
One can ask the question: What will be the proportions of people with IQ’s above 160? For the gentiles, that would be approximately 4 standard deviations. So from a billion white gentiles, one can expect about 30,000 folks with IQs about 160. For Jews, it’s about 3 standard deviations. So one can expect about 13,000 Jews to be above 160.
So instead of a ratio of 100 to 1, there is a ratio of 5 to 2. In other words, one can expect that roughly 30 percent of extraordinarily intelligent people will be Jewish. Thus it’s unsurprising that Jews account for about 25% of Nobel prize winners in hard sciences.
No nepotism or discrimination at all is necessary to explain the success of Jewish scientists and the like.
Ironically, the arguments made by anti-Semites on this issue pretty much track exactly with the arguments made by white-hating black people. And their conclusion is that the disproportionate success of whites must be due to “institutional racism.”
Oct 13, 2009 5:52 pm |
Additionally Garnet,
For one thing, I am not a “Nordic Fetishist”. I am just calling things like I see them, and it is obvious that a lot of non-whites, especially Jews, prize Nordic features.
That being said, I want my group, North West Euros, to survive and thrive intact, as A People, not to be mixed and genetically lost with extensive mixture with other races and tribes.
I especially want our Euro-White elites to serve the Euro-White People, both here in America and in Europe, and not become the Janissaries of Juda and Zion.
Sorry if I come across as being extreme … additionally the article on speciation I was not overly thrilled in posting cause it was a bit zealot in what it was presenting, but it raises an important point nonetheless — that of our survival as White European Peoples — whether our hair is blond, red or brown; or whether our eyes are blue, green or brown.
To borrow a phrase from Oliver Cromwell — Our People, Warts and All.
You are one of the best commenters here on this site, Garnet, and I always like reading what you have to say, so I am sorry if I have offended you in any way.
Oct 13, 2009 5:58 pm |
Sabril,
There is only one slight problem with the biological dimensions of Jewry -
That they are not a race.
They are, more accurately, a collection of races, somewhat analogous to how ‘Hispanics’ are a ‘race’ — a mestizo mixture of other races.
And just like the intelligent ‘Latinos’ get those genes, overall, from the European side of their heritage, so do the “Jews”.
Oct 13, 2009 6:06 pm |
“There is only one slight problem with the biological dimensions of Jewry -
That they are not a race.”
How would you define “race”?
“And just like the intelligent ‘Latinos’ get those genes, overall, from the European side of their heritage, so do the ‘Jews’.”
So you would classify Ashkenazi Jews as White?
Oct 13, 2009 6:13 pm |
“Virtually every jew that’s married and had kids with a non-jew really has jewish interests at heart. All the possiblities of actual love for their non-jewish mates, and children, and the like, are all lies because they’re secretly leading a double-life and paying lip service to the jewish NWO.”
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Found this article on this subject of the hate-term “Shiksa” -
“And, to my surprise, the stigma of being a shiksa is profound. I stopped joking about my wife’s toes when I found out that the word “shiksa” is a Yiddish term of disgust derived from the biblical Hebrew word shakaytz, meaning “to abominate an unclean thing.” The female form is infinitely more common than its masculine form, “shaygets,” but this lopsidedness only adds to this unpleasant reminder of sexism.
“Christine Benvenuto, a journalist living in Amherst, Mass., claims that the term is still in full, vitriolic use. In her new book, “Shiksa: The Gentile Woman in the Jewish World” (St. Martin’s Press), Benvenuto explodes the myth of the predatory gentile woman prowling to seduce the helpless Jewish man. From biblical times to the present day, non-Jewish women and converts to Judaism have stood at the heart of the Jewish people, despite being under continual suspicion of “stealing the Jewish male and weakening the Jewish people.” As Benvenuto points out, four of the 12 sons of Israel (Dan, Naphtali, Asher and Gad) were born to Jacob’s non-Jewish concubines Bilhah and Zilpah. (Benvenuto was raised Catholic in a predominately Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn and converted to Judaism after marrying a Jew.)”
http://www.forward.com/articles/5547/
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Also, president Emanuel indeed (hypocritically) married one of ‘em, in spite of the custom that ‘Jewishness’ comes through the mother’s womb -
[...] Emanuel’s wife, Amy Rule, converted to Judaism shortly before their wedding. They are members of Anshe Sholom B’nai Israel, a Modern Orthodox congregation in Chicago. They have a son and two daughters; the older two attend the same Conservative day school Emanuel himself attended as a child.
Emanuel is a close friend of fellow Chicagoan David Axelrod, chief strategist for the 2008 Barack Obama presidential campaign. Axelrod signed the ketuba, a Jewish marriage contract, at Emanuel’s wedding, an honor that goes to a close friend. [...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
Oct 13, 2009 6:16 pm |
“So you would classify Ashkenazi Jews as White?”
Good question Sabril, really good question that no one seems to have an answer to, especially since AJ’s want to both be White and think of themselves as the mythical ‘Semitic’ descendents of ancient Palestine.
Oct 13, 2009 6:52 pm |
Kuato:
“For one, American and British Whites are one thing, but they are not the totality of the whole White race. Dysgenic effects are responsible for the lowering of their IQ over the past thirty or so years.”
Proof of this?
“Secondly, Jews are not a full standard deviation in IQ above Whites. Much of the revised data on the ‘JewQ’ shows them to be around 109-10, not the mythical figures of 115-17. On top of that, Jews primarily excel in verbal IQ, less so in other dimensions of intelligence.”
I never said they were a full standard deviation. It’s likely their IQ is just 109-110, though perhaps still close to 115. Regardless of their verbal skewing, it’s still an advantage.
“Additionally, there are many White groups, in America and in Europe, who score well over the much ballyhooed IQ number of 100, with ranges of 107-113.”
True.
“Plus, due to their very high levels of mixture with East Euros (in Europe) and with NW Euros (in Britain and America), and especially due to the fact that Jews tend to mix with more intelligent and accomplished ‘gentiles’, it can just be as easily said that a good deal much of their genes, for intelligence and other traits that make so many people identify them as “White”, comes from the approximately 40% of their ancestry that is non-Jewish.”
This is flawed in a number of regards. Less than half of their ancestry comes from europeans, meaning the possible genetic contribution from whites isn’t that concise. Plus, the most likely time of an ashkenazi rise in IQ came about when jews had very, very little mixing with whites. And, the whole cusp of the argument is that the jewish IQ is considerably higher than the white european average. (which is rather hard to quantify as a whole)
“For one thing, I am not a “Nordic Fetishist”. I am just calling things like I see them, and it is obvious that a lot of non-whites, especially Jews, prize Nordic features.”
True to a degree, but when you say “nobody wants dark hair and eyes”, that reeks of nordic fetishism.
“Sorry if I come across as being extreme … additionally the article on speciation I was not overly thrilled in posting cause it was a bit zealot in what it was presenting, but it raises an important point nonetheless — that of our survival as White European Peoples — whether our hair is blond, red or brown; or whether our eyes are blue, green or brown.
To borrow a phrase from Oliver Cromwell — Our People, Warts and All.
You are one of the best commenters here on this site, Garnet, and I always like reading what you have to say, so I am sorry if I have offended you in any way.”
Well, thank you for the clarifications and compliments. Surprsing considering I’m a pretty staunch anti-racialist. However, if you don’t want to come off as extreme, don’t voice such as extreme beliefs- and if you’re merely giving reference to such a source, then better clarify yourself.
“Found this article on this subject of the hate-term “Shiksa””
This doesn’t really answer much- do you believe that such an inane conspiratorial aim is at the heart of jewish outmarriage rates?
Sabril:
I’m skeptical of where you get those figures on standard deviations. First off, the amount of whites worldwide is about 700-800 million, and their IQ is around 100. For the sake of argument, lets say it’s exactly 100 and the Ashkenazi IQ is exactly 115.
Only about 16% of whites will have IQ’s of 115 or more, so that leaves about 70-90 million whites, compared to 8-11.2 million Ashkenazi jews.
I’m not good with math or statistics in my current state of mind, so I’m not sure as to where 4 standard deviations falls as a percentage in those populations, but under your model, it seems like the amount of Ashkenazi jews with genius level IQ’s would be outnumbered by a factor of around 10 or more. In essence, about 100,000 more white geniuses than Ashkenazi geniuses.
Like I said, I’m not too sure of the math, but it doesn’t seem that accurate with what you say. Plus, genius level IQ’s isnt the focus, it’s 115 and above. Like I said, they dominate in so many fields that seem to be at rather lower levels of high intellectual ability. (i’m skeptical of IQ and alot of life outcomes, though)
I mean, it doesn’t take a genius level IQ to come up with Nobel Prize winning material. This also not counting nominees. Not sure of jewish representation in nominees, though.
Oct 13, 2009 7:54 pm |
“Then explain jewish dominance in many other fields where discrimination is far less likely. Like, Nobel Prizes.”
Well, to be sure, WHO wins the Nobel for a given year is to an extent subjective. OBVIOUSLY in the sociological fields like Peace Prizes. Obama’s receipt is Exhibit 1.
But even in the hard sciences, amongst many choices, who wins is decided by a vote of the committee and CAN be somewhat subject to politics. For instance, who should HAVE won the Nobel in 1909? Tesla? Marconi? or Thomas Edison?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies
Controversial exclusions
[edit] Physics
quote:
Guglielmo Marconi received the 1909 Nobel Prize for his work on the radio, even though the US Patent Office awarded the patent to Nikola Tesla first, reversing its decision in Marconi’s favour in 1904 and again in Tesla’s favour in 1942. Thomas Edison and Tesla were mentioned as potential laureates in 1915, but it is believed that due to their animosity toward each other neither was ever given the award, despite their enormous scientific contributions.
Jewish defenders assert if we look at the totality of evidence, we’ll see that the Jews are not to blame for White America’s decline.
But when I look at the totality of the evidence and start pointing out some not flattering — even quite suspicious-looking — facts, I don’t get many good, analytic counters.
I generally get this: YOU’RE FUCKING INSANE.
Makes it difficult for people of good will, who are honestly trying to understand the roots of White America’s decline, to give the Jews an honest, fair assessment of the size of the role, if any, they’ve played, when we don’t get much in the way of calm analysis from Jews to counter the unflattering-to-Jews stuff — only accusations of insanity.
Round and round we go. “Institutional discrimination” is not, of itself, a ridiculous notion. It is only ridiculous as an explanation of Black failure because in the absence of White people to perpetrate such discrimination, the Blacks do not, ever, anywhere, succeed of their own accord.
However, it IS a plausible explanation for White non-Jewish America’s current troubles because when Jews are not around, Whites DO succeed, as my first post regarding White non-Jewish America’s accomplishments prior to the mass immigration of Jews in the 1920s.
Oct 13, 2009 8:14 pm |
“especially since AJ’s want to both be White and think of themselves as the mythical ‘Semitic’ descendents of ancient Palestine.”
Would you care to quote 3 or 4 prominent Ashkenazi Jews who have taken this position?
Anyway, it seems a lot of anti-semites think essentially the same way, e.g. that Ashkenazi Jews are middle-easterners who appropriated all of the best White genes. i.e. they have a mix of European and Middle-Eastern blood.
Oct 13, 2009 8:30 pm |
“I’m skeptical of where you get those figures on standard deviations”
Just do a google search for normal distribution table.
Here’s a link to one:
http://www.math.unb.ca/~knight/utility/NormTble.htm
What you need to look at is the “far right tail probabilities.”
It’s true that white gentiles with IQs 115+ should strongly outnumber Jews at that level, perhaps by about 30 to 1. But as you go into higher and higher IQ ranges, the ratio gets closer and closer. In fact, at a certain level, the ratio can be expected to flip.
“it seems like the amount of Ashkenazi jews with genius level IQ’s would be outnumbered by a factor of around 10 or more”
No, and you can do the calculation yourself. “genius level” IQ is usually pegged at 150. For gentile whites, that’s about 3.3 standard deviations. (Because 3.3 * 15 is about 50.) Looking at the chart I linked to, that gives a tail probability of 0.0004834. In other words, a probability of 0.0004834 that a given white gentile will have genius level IQ. That means in a population of 800,000,000 white gentiles, one can expect approximately 385,000 white gentile geniuses.
What about for Ashkenazi Jews? Well a 150 IQ would be approximately 2.3 standard deviations. Again looking at the table, that gives a tail probability of .01072. Multiplying by 10,000,000 Ashkenazi Jews gives you approximately 105,000 Jewish geniuses.
Which means about 25% of the geniuses in the white world can be expected to be Ashkenazi Jews.
Which is completely consistent with Jewish performance in intellectual endeavors.
“I mean, it doesn’t take a genius level IQ to come up with Nobel Prize winning material. ”
I would say that in the hard sciences, you need to be pretty close.
Oct 13, 2009 10:16 pm |
@sabril,
What Ashkenazim ave. are you using for the #s you’re generating?
Oct 13, 2009 10:19 pm |
115.5? What about if you use a more realistic 110?
Oct 13, 2009 10:39 pm |
Using your back-of-the-envelope #s for 150+ (385,000 and 105,000) I get about 21.4%.
385,000 + 105,000 = 490,000
105 / 490 = 21.43%
Oct 13, 2009 10:40 pm |
^ for what looks like a 115 est. for Ashkenazim.
With a 110, that should be significantly lower than 20%.
Oct 13, 2009 10:51 pm |
“Anyway, it seems a lot of anti-semites think essentially the same way, e.g. that Ashkenazi Jews are middle-easterners who appropriated all of the best White genes. i.e. they have a mix of European and Middle-Eastern blood.”
Actually Sabril, it really is the converse: So many Jews, and ESPECIALLY philo-semites, want to insist that Jews are just White like every other European/European American, but they are also a distinct, endogenous ‘race’ who are the descendents of the ancient Hebrews.
Oct 13, 2009 11:01 pm |
If I’m reading this right, 110 Ashkenazi ave. (so between 2.7 than 2.6, say 0.004) would put them at about 40,000.
385,000 + 40,000 = 425,000
40,000 / 425,000 = about 9.4%.
Oct 13, 2009 11:08 pm |
How are you getting the 10M figure for total Ashkenazim pop., sabril?
Oct 13, 2009 11:17 pm |
@sabril,
“What Ashkenazim ave. are you using for the #s you’re generating?”
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The whole Ashkenazi IQ theory is indeed a bit fishy, like so many other claims in the pantheon of philo-semitism/Jewish supremacism (and I do not mean this as snark). On the “far right tail probabilities”, there was never a conclusive study done on the ethnic breakdown of who scored at this end of the spectrum. The only ’study’ usually trotted out by the philo-semites is the New York city public school story, circa 1940’s, where someone claimed that, that out of 28 students who scored over 140 (not 150 or 160), 24 of them were supposedly Jewish.
For starters this was a very skewed and small sample to begin with, but more importantly in America the census and the public schools system never ask a what a person’s religious affiliation is, so how would they really know for sure if the pupils in question were Jewish or not.
Again, most revised studies on the White Ashkenazi IQ has demonstrated, at least in America and England, for it to be in the 107-110 range, not 115-117. Additionally, the Ashkenazi IQ in Israel has been estimated at 103.
Let’s keep all this in perspective.
Oct 13, 2009 11:24 pm |
@Kuato,
If it’s 107, then I think the 150+ % drops to around 4-5% in the above equations. So a range from say 21.4% at 115.5 to say 5% at 107.
Any chance you have a link to the Israeli Ashkenazi est. ave. of 103?
@sabril, if it’s 107, would you continue to maintain your position that this accounts for Jewish influence?
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