“I live in a country with virtually no Jews, but which is extremely liberal on race issues & has a very egalitarian ethos.”

Note: NZ has had 3 Jewish Prime Ministers, including the current (half-)Jewish PM, according to John Key’s Wikipedia article.

I would hazard a guess that NZ’s cultural and legislative currents are influenced by what happens in the U.S. (very high level of Jewish influence), U.K. (less so directly, obviously highly influenced by the U.S.), Canada (similar to U.K.), and Australia (I am unfamiliar the level of direct Jewish influence here, but assume a significant indirect influence via the U.S. in particular).

No problem Garnet, no problem at all.

Just for the record once again, I am one that is not in favor of ‘Nordicism’ or any other kind of supremacy or ‘fetishism’ — be it White, Jewish or Oriental. I am against all kinds of elitism, whether they’re ‘politically correct’ or not. I was primarily registering my disapproval of those sickos who think they can ‘engineer’ their child like they are creating a robot… who think life is some kind of ‘Gattaca’ movie.

Additionally, I did not say that “nobody’ likes dark hair and eyes” just saying since this combination is far more common than light hair/eyes that these elitists who are willing to pay a lot of money for a certain look that they don’t likely possess.

A quote from another commenter on the ‘Eugenics Watch’ thread captures my feelings on this weirdness rather well:

“Obviously, the only “Nordic fetishists” out there are the non-Nordic types willing to PAY BIG BUCKS to have these traits, not the people bearing them in the first place.”
“This was the point of my post.”

This was also the point of my post.

And you are very right, I should have made this more clear from the beginning.

At any rate, we live and learn.

Nice talking with you again, Garnet.

*If you or anyone else didn’t see the movie Gattica, be sure to rent it. A real portal into seeing and understanding the often twisted motives of those who think they can ‘play God’ with their ‘liberal eugenic’ fantasies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca

That’s not exactly my position. I mainly brought up the subject of IQ differences to counter the claim that the amount of gentile whites with high IQ’s “grossly dwarfs” the amount of Jews worldwidw with high IQs.

The question of Jewish influence is a bit different, since you don’t need to have a sky-high IQ to succeed as a senior political or administrative official. An IQ in the 125 to 130 range is plenty to be a succesful politician and many get by with much lower intelligence.

That said, to address, for example, the number of Jewish Senators, I would want to have a good estimate of verbal IQ among American Jews. I would be extremely skeptical that it’s the result of organized Jewish behavior or nepotism or anything like that but obviously I’m willing to entertain the possibility.

“How are you getting the 10M figure for total Ashkenazim pop., sabril?”

I was using 115 — a one standard deviation difference. I realize that some estimates have a more modest gap, but the basic point remains — that a significant gap will produce successively more even ratios at higher and higher IQ levels.

Ten million was just an estimate but it’s probably not too far off. Wikipedia says that there are 13.1 million Jews in the world, 80% of whom are Ashkenazic. That gives about 10.5 million Ashkenazi Jews.

“On the ‘far right tail probabilities’, there was never a conclusive study done on the ethnic breakdown of who scored at this end of the spectrum.”

That may be so. Also, I doubt that there is enough data to clearly determine the shapes of IQ distributions way out in the right tail. Also, as liberals are fond of telling us, environment and culture do play a role in these things.

Still, my point stands:

“the amount of whites, worldwide with high IQ’s, grossly dwarves the amount of jews worldwide with high IQ’s”

This is probably not true at the highest levels of intelligence.

Anthony,

This if from one of Richard Lynn’s books or studies.

Proof of this?
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Hi Garnet,

Flynn: Flynn Effect has reversed among British teens

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/02/flynn-flynn-effect-has-reversed-among.html

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British teenagers have lower IQs than their counterparts did 30 years ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/4548943/British-teenagers-have-lower-IQs-than-their-counterparts-did-30-years-ago.html

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“Well, thank you for the clarifications and compliments. Surprsing considering I’m a pretty staunch anti-racialist. However, if you don’t want to come off as extreme, don’t voice such as extreme beliefs- and if you’re merely giving reference to such a source, then better clarify yourself.”

Your welcome. And I mean it, you are always a thinking and discerning gentleman whenever you debate with someone, or just proffering an opinion. I highly respect this approach and demeanor. Props to you, and Sabril, for your polite discourse.

I was a former school teacher, and I always had a blast when I had students like yourselves in the class who would (and could) talk constructivly and examine an issue from various perspectives, without being overly concerned about coming across as ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.

If it’s 107, then I think the 150+ % drops to around 4-5% in the above equations. So a range from say 21.4% at 115.5 to say 5% at 107.

Any chance you have a link to the Israeli Ashkenazi est. ave. of 103?

@sabril, if it’s 107, would you continue to maintain your position that this accounts for Jewish influence?

“What Ashkenazim ave. are you using for the #s you’re generating?”
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The whole Ashkenazi IQ theory is indeed a bit fishy, like so many other claims in the pantheon of philo-semitism/Jewish supremacism (and I do not mean this as snark). On the “far right tail probabilities”, there was never a conclusive study done on the ethnic breakdown of who scored at this end of the spectrum. The only ’study’ usually trotted out by the philo-semites is the New York city public school story, circa 1940’s, where someone claimed that, that out of 28 students who scored over 140 (not 150 or 160), 24 of them were supposedly Jewish.

For starters this was a very skewed and small sample to begin with, but more importantly in America the census and the public schools system never ask a what a person’s religious affiliation is, so how would they really know for sure if the pupils in question were Jewish or not.

Again, most revised studies on the White Ashkenazi IQ has demonstrated, at least in America and England, for it to be in the 107-110 range, not 115-117. Additionally, the Ashkenazi IQ in Israel has been estimated at 103.

Let’s keep all this in perspective.