Eugenics Watch
In March of this year, a doctor said that we were six months away from parents being able to choose the eye and hair color of their babies.
Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg has already helped thousands of couples choose their child’s gender at his fertility institutes in Manhattan and Los Angeles. Within six months, he says, the clinic will offer a new service: allowing couples to select the physical traits of their babies. Steinberg says he cannot promise that people will get their selections, but claims he can dramatically increase the probability.
“I can’t say with 100 percent certainty that parents will be able to choose something like eye color — more like 80 percent certainty,” Steinberg said.
The procedure is called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis, or PGD. It’s been used by fertility doctors for years to screen embryos in the lab – mostly for parents who want to reduce the chances of carrying a baby with life-threatening diseases.
According to Steinberg, the technology behind genetic screening has progressed to the point where parents can almost custom-design their babies.
The video accompanying the story shows a fat “ethicist” who looks like a gargoyle talking about how horrible this would be. He asks if the rich are going to be able to do it while the poor can’t. Of course! Are you going to advocate banning everything that the rich can do but the poor can’t? Then go an become a communist.
Richard Lynn predicted that there will be a class of designer people and an underclass of “naturals.” In my review of his book Eugenics, I wrote
Western governments may outlaw all these technologies, but they will be legal somewhere and as these options became cheaper and better known more couples will travel to take advantage of them. The situation will be similar to when abortion was only available in certain US states or European countries and women desiring to have one would simply take a bus.
Not everybody will be able to afford biotechnology, and some ethicists reject it on those grounds. Of course, there are all kinds of things that rich people can afford that the poor can’t; we don’t outlaw them all. Lynn optimistically points out that no technology that can help humanity has ever been successfully suppressed. The inherent quality gap between the genetically engineered upper class and the ‘natural’ lower class will continue to grow until the former decides to sterilize the latter or forces them to use biotechnology themselves.
Fear not, fellow race realists. While the NAMs are eating each other your super babies will have enough fellow geniuses to form communities far away from the jungle.
Here’s a video of Bill O’Reilly talking to the doctor. The host is so stupid it’s embarrassing. I remember he once said that Americans have a shorter life expectancy than Canadians because the US has more people.
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Oct 7, 2009 1:51 pm |
Bill O’Reilly’s comment that “Americans have a shorter life expectancy than Canadians because the US has more people” is obviously true. Life expectancy is like gold or oil, there is only a limited amount of it out there. Canada has less people, so each one gets more life expectancy and lives longer. Some say it also works the same way with intelligence, which explains Bill O’Reilly.
Oct 7, 2009 5:44 pm |
Some how racism is part of white culture but underachieving and violence is not part of black culture.
Oct 8, 2009 10:52 am |
Americans have a shorter life expectancy because we have a larger population of people with shorter lifespans influenced by genetics, such as Africans.
O’Reilly is off the charts as a pompous ass, his narcissism is palpable.
Such technology is very needed for Jews, who because of inbreeding suffer from genetic diseases at a much higher rate. In fact when two Jews want to conceive it’s a typical practice to have genetic counseling.
Save yourself some money and just choose a genetically healthy mate that has the traits you want in your child.
Oct 8, 2009 8:10 pm |
He fought poverty. He fought starvation. Yet, instead of giving up in life, here is what he did:
“When he was just 14 years old, Malawian inventor William Kamkwamba built his family an electricity-generating windmill from spare parts, working from rough plans he found in a library book.”
I had stumbled upon him as he appeared on today’s Daily Show with Jon Stewart, as he was the featured guest.
He didn’t invent something new, but he built a 4 blade windmill instead of the book’s (that he read) 3 blade. He was clever enough to figure out that 4 was better than the book’s example of 3.
Your average Western Joe may see this kid, and from his poor English and heritage, believe him to be unintelligent. This kid should be an inspiration for all.
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=95100
Oct 9, 2009 4:11 pm |
[...] Once we are speciated they will breed, cull, and use their stock as suits their purposes: worker drones, medical and scientific test objects, sexual slaves, gladiators; the possibilities are endless. It will be the end of all except the Chosen Ones.
Seem implausible, impossible, just silly? Maybe. But the evidence is clear that the demonic force ruling us now and poised to control every corner of this planet would LIKE to do this. [...]
Fallen Freedom: Speciation – The NWO end-game?
http://fallenfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/08/speciation-nwo-end-game.html
Oct 9, 2009 5:09 pm |
Speciation is possible. It doesn’t take much. Only one gene is necessary. Also, it doesn’t take much to define or distinguish two species. It’s not simply a matter of whether breeding is possible and/or that the offspring will be fertile. For example, there are some distinct species of grasshoppers that are identical in all detectable respects except for their songs. And they can be easily persuaded to mate together and their offspring are fully fertile. They are however classified as different species because they prefer not to interbreed.
The aristocracy of Europe mostly bred amongst themselves rather than with the subjects of their countries. Northern Euro aristocrats often took S. Euro aristocrat mates rather than their own Northern subjects/compatriots. The multinational aristocrats increasingly resembled an ethnic group distinct from the peoples they ruled over.
We see similar patterns developing today, as assortive mating means that the elites increasingly mate and breed among themselves. A major consequence of this is The Denationalization of the American Elite as described by the late political scientist Samuel Huntington. If globalism continues, we should expect to see the gradual formation of an international elite class that mates almost exclusively amongst its members, whose ultimate loyalty is to the international class rather than with individual nations & states. This coupled with genetic engineering of populations could undoubtedly result in de facto speciation.
Oct 9, 2009 5:47 pm |
Richard,
While I am not opposed to eugenics, I certainly don’t see it as an unqualified good, especially considering political/human reality.
The radical egalitarianism at the heart of Leftism isn’t going to go away. It will adapt to the new technological reality of genetic engineering. The natural impulse for equality will be emboldened by the opportunity provided by genetic engineering to actually recreate the masses as a race of biological equals. The elite will see this as a means of maintaining, consolidating, and increasing its own power and will readily exploit the opportunity. The dystopic potential of this isn’t trivial.
Without freedom of association and the ability to form and maintain separate, independent, and sovereign communities, states, nations, etc., genetic engineering will end up just being another tool for the elite to centralize and extend its own power and virtually enslave much of humanity. And when you consider other technologies in the pipeline such as robotic war machines the future looks dystopic indeed.
Let’s hope not.
Oct 9, 2009 9:43 pm |
So, it’s been 6 months. What became of all this?
By the way, Zurich, you’re extrapolating speciation among birds to humans. A terrible comparison. Speciation and cross-species infertility is dependent on a wide array of factors that vary considerably from genus to genus, order to order etc.
Here’s where that kind of thinking gets you: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1690916
In a little under 15,000 years, 500-1,000 fish species have come into being in Lake Victoria alone. Extrapolate that to humans, and well, I guess alot of european ethnic groups are seperate species.
Among primates, it takes about 1 million years for speciation to occur. I actually spoke to John Hawks about this, via phone. Even sent me some interesting studies on it.
Oct 10, 2009 1:46 am |
Speciation indeed.
“PGD features prominently in the 1997 film Gattaca. The movie is set in a near-future world where PGD/IVF is the most common form of reproduction. In the movie parents routinely use PGD to select desirable traits for their children such as height, eye color and freedom from even the smallest of genetic predispositions to disease. The ethical consequences of PGD are explored through the story of the main character who faces discrimination because he was conceived without such methods.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preimplantation_genetic_diagnosis
It has the smell of the ‘New World Oder’ written all over it!!!
Oct 10, 2009 1:55 am |
“We see similar patterns developing today, as assortive mating means that the elites increasingly mate and breed among themselves. A major consequence of this is The Denationalization of the American Elite as described by the late political scientist Samuel Huntington. If globalism continues, we should expect to see the gradual formation of an international elite class that mates almost exclusively amongst its members, whose ultimate loyalty is to the international class rather than with individual nations & states. This coupled with genetic engineering of populations could undoubtedly result in de facto speciation.”
I guarantee you Herr Zurich that the “international elite class” will not freely interbreed with the non-white, third world “elites”, since it is obvious that the “western” elites will pay ANY SUM necessary for their offspring to be as NORDIC as possible.
The nonwhites are perceived by these racial hypocrites as merely idiots and pawns in their game of global conquest.
*Funny, but it is often these same “western” “elites” who loathe, hate and despise Northern Europeans and other Whites -
http://www.badeagle.com/2009/06/16/the-hated-white-race/
Oct 10, 2009 11:36 am |
Nice nordic fetishism there, Truth. As one post mentioned in there, nevermind Yeagley’s atrocious logic of correlating overall physical beauty of a population with diversity in hair color and eye color, along with all of those blonde, brunette, and redheaded melanesians. (plus, most non-white populations exhibit vastly greater diversity in skin color)
This post also brings to mind a common white nationalist theme of how racial mixing will eradicate light eyes and light hair. Well, not necesarrily, it would just make them alot less common. However, genetic engineering, in this case, shows how hilariously easy it is to give pretty much anyone the alleles for light eyes, ensuring they’ll never die out.
And while the light hair in whites seems to be easily diluted by relatively darker skin, the light hair among all those melanesians seems alot different. Maybe the alleles among them don’t experience any sort of dilution from darker skin, and would be a much better choice for propogating light hair in genetic engineering.
Oct 10, 2009 3:51 pm |
Truth,
By “international elite class” I mean an elite class whose rule and power is international in scope, not its racial character and composition.
I never said that int’l elite class members will freely interbreed with non-white 3rd worlders. They don’t and won’t freely do anything without measured deliberation – including consorting with their lower class racial brethren in Red State America or something.
If you spend any time at all in the global capitals of the world among these people, you’ll find that while they no doubt predominantly associate among those who share their own elite and racial/ethnic background, they will pass over racial/ethnic kin of much lower background to assort with racial/ethnic aliens of similar elite background/status.
This doesn’t, nor do I expect it to, happen en masse of course. And it doesn’t involve aliens of any and every stripe. But it isn’t trivial, and it can’t be ignored. It’s partly why such a class is inimical to the world and will potentially be more so in the future.
Oct 10, 2009 6:17 pm |
Garnet,
it is not true that just ‘anyone’ can have light hair and eyes, for those are specific racial traits of White Europeans, most specifically Nordics. How and where, for example, are ‘wealthy’ non-white, non-nordic ‘couples’ going to be able to produce these traits in their offspring if these genes are not already in their DNA history in the first place?
Obviously, the only “Nordic fetishists” out there are the non-Nordic types willing to PAY BIG BUCKS to have these traits, not the people bearing them in the first place.
This was the point of my post.
Oct 10, 2009 6:26 pm |
“If you spend any time at all in the global capitals of the world among these people, you’ll find that while they no doubt predominantly associate among those who share their own elite and racial/ethnic background, they will pass over racial/ethnic kin of much lower background to assort with racial/ethnic aliens of similar elite background/status.”
Zurich,
Totally agree with you about the amoral, traitorous behaviour of the globalist ‘elite’ class.
I just don’t think that they would ever breed with racial/ethnic aliens, whom as I pointed out earlier are looked at by them as merely ‘useful idiots’ (the putative third world ‘elites’) who need to be schmoozed and deceived in order to get them neutralized and pose no opposition to the “western”elites” goal of a world government/dictatorship.
Like I mentioned with Garnet, the ‘western”elites’ are wannabee Nordic supremacists/fetishists, who will pay any amount of coin to ensure their ‘lineage’ is as ‘non-swarthy’ as possible
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Oct 10, 2009 9:02 pm |
“it is not true that just ‘anyone’ can have light hair and eyes, for those are specific racial traits of White Europeans, most specifically Nordics.”
I never specifically said this. I know about their recessive nature and how one has to have both parents with carriers of their alleles for them to appear. I was simply comparing this phenomenon to how the light hair phenotypes seen among whites and the like are easily diluted by even moderately darker skin. (it seems like anything beyond light brown skin is enough to dilute it.)
So yes, anyone can express light eyes. Just look at all the north africans, arabs, central asians, indians, and american blacks who have them.
“How and where, for example, are ‘wealthy’ non-white, non-nordic ‘couples’ going to be able to produce these traits in their offspring if these genes are not already in their DNA history in the first place?”
Um, get light hair and light eye alleles from a sort of database and transplant them into their children? Maybe even into themselves? They’d get those alleles from anyone who carried them to begin with.
“Obviously, the only “Nordic fetishists” out there are the non-Nordic types willing to PAY BIG BUCKS to have these traits, not the people bearing them in the first place.”
Yeah, I misread that, sorry. But I also kind of got that line of thinking from you for knocking on the looks of those Turkish students what with their central asian admixture. (alot of whom had light hair and eyes, I should also note.)
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