Holocaust Deniers, Nazis, and Klansmen, Oh My!
In my latest at The Occidental Observer, I look into how the media has distorted the positions of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and American politician David Duke, in order to demonize the two men and not deal with the uncomfortable questions they ask.
This Ahmadinejad-as-Holocaust-denier meme started after a statement he made in December of 2005. The sentence that showed up in all the news stories is this: “Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets.”
That could be taken as a denying that the Holocaust happened. Equally plausible is that the Iranian president was commenting on how the Holocaust has been elevated to a sacred event that mustn’t be questioned while criticizing how world leaders act as if the event is relevant to contemporary political issues. Indeed, Ahmadinejad’s greatest concern about the Holocaustis clearly that it has been used as to justify what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. In the same 2005 speech, Ahmadinejad noted, that if Europeans committed the crime, then they should pay the price: “This is our proposal: if you committed the crime, then give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them [Jews], so that the Jews can establish their country.”
On September 18th, 2009, the New York Times ran a front page story about a different speech that the Iranian leader gave. According to the author, Ahmadinejad yet again called the Holocaust a “lie.” Luckily, the president’s personal website happened to report on the same speech. The actual statement in its context is the following: ”The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie; a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust.” That “pretext” which is a “lie” could mean the Holocaust or it could mean the idea that European Jews had some historical or biblical claim to the Holy Land. And in any case, again Ahmadinejad is most concerned about how the Holocaust is used to justify what Israel is doing to the Palestinians…
Imagine an alternative universe with a news story that accurately summed up the Iranian president’s position and a typical reaction to his statements.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad today wondered why any crimes committed by the Germans against the Jews should be used as a pretext to punish Palestinians. He also questioned why scholars across Europe are sitting in jail for their opinions about a historical event. The Iranian president called for freedom of speech on this and all other academic issues.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded to these calls for academic debate by threatening to strike Iran. All six parties in the German parliament signed a resolution denouncing Ahmadinejad’s remarks and defending the country’s right to lock up those that disagree with what the government declares as history.
20 Comments
Oct 1, 2009 7:23 pm |
“Ahmadinejad’s crime, what makes him a madman in the eyes of the international community, is his refusal to have a historical opinion on an issue on which the West doesn’t allow free speech.”
Good point. I couldn’t believe it when I found myself defending Ahmadinejad a few months ago. But it came down to this: We kicked the liberal globalist regimes out of Rhodesia and South Africa, and now we want to kick the conservative nationalist regime out of Iran. Even without this hypocrisy, I found it incredibly arrogant that liberals thought they knew not only what was best for Iran, but “what the Iranian people really want”. I looked them right in the eye and said “Iran has a right to be Iran. I hope they never succumb to the self-loathing and mediocrity that we’ve embraced.”
I’m anything but a Jewish-conspiracy theorist, but I find it completely ridiculous that Americans and Brits feel guilty for the actions of this regime that we fought and defeated. How are Holocaust deniers any crazier than 9/11 Truthers, UFO believers, or Scientologists? Personally, I think the overemphasis on WWII has less to do with undue Jewish influence than with the anti-white cultural Marxist agenda.
Oct 1, 2009 8:39 pm |
On Holocaust denial:
“If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!” – Adolf Hitler: speech on 30 January 1939
- http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_holocaust/documents/part1/doc59.html
- VIDEO OF SPEECH: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005175&MediaId=3108
Oct 1, 2009 11:55 pm |
I don’t understand why you’re giving I’m-a-dinner-jacket so big a benefit of the doubt…
Oct 2, 2009 1:51 am |
Ahmedenijad and the Persians in general are not antisemites. Jews live in peace and prosperity in Iran. The problem is that they are building long range ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, capable of reaching Europe and soon, the US. The talk against the Little Satan (Israel) makes you forget that it is the Great Satan – you – that they are after.
Oct 2, 2009 11:40 am |
Excellent article and insight.
Oct 2, 2009 11:30 pm |
Israeli Water Engineer,
Your dissimulation is so blatant it’s not even funny. Try harder next time.
Oct 3, 2009 1:42 am |
I agree that commenter ‘j’ is mostly full of shit about the nuke issue because he is a heavily biased warmongering ethnic Jew and Israeli, but he is right about Iranians not wanting to “kill all the Jews” — in fact, Iran has the largest Jewish population in the entire Middle East, and Iran didn’t expel a lot of their Jews even as nearly all other Middle Eastern nations did in the late 40s after the founding of Israel.
Ethnic Jews have lived in Persia/Iran for a very long time, and they’ve actually faced less persecution there overall than in many European nations. They are also, predictably, one of the richest ethnic groups in Iran overall because of their involvement in banking, international trade, drugs (legal and illegal), weapons manufacturing, construction enterprises and land-lordism, etc.
There are even some murmurs around Iran and elsewhere that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad might also has at least partial ethnic Jewish ancestry in his family. He’s short, he has a very large nose, he’s intelligent (former professor), and he’s a loudmouth, so I wouldn’t doubt it at all. However, he is quite the populistic universalist which is a very un-Jewish attitude, since so many ethnic Jews are very clannish and greedy elitists.
Oct 3, 2009 7:03 am |
With a little context, it seems pretty clear that Ahmadinejad has flat out denied the Holocaust:
“They have fabricated a legend, under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves…If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream.”
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“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded to these calls for academic debate by threatening to strike Iran”
Please show me where an Israeli leader reacted in this or a similar fashion.
Oct 3, 2009 10:43 am |
Ahmedinejad isn’t intelligent enough to be part Jewish. More likely his big nose comes from some arab in the broom closet. The man is a bully and a bore, and even a moment’s waste of time thinking about him is too much.
Too, too bad that Iranians are stuck with the fool.
Oct 3, 2009 12:04 pm |
Ahmedenijad and the Persians in general are not antisemites. Jews live in peace and prosperity in Iran. The problem is that they are building long range ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, capable of reaching Europe and soon, the US. The talk against the Little Satan (Israel) makes you forget that it is the Great Satan – you – that they are after.
Ahmadinejad is not coming for me or anybody else I know. The Arabs and Persians would have no problem with the West if we didn’t.
A) support Israel
B) interfere in their part of the world
It’s the crazy globalists who run America sticking their noses in everybody’s business that inspires hate.
With a little context, it seems pretty clear that Ahmadinejad has flat out denied the Holocaust:
“They have fabricated a legend, under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves…If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream.”
Did you read the article? “Myth” in English can mean something that’s true but has been blown out of proportion. Do you know the subtitles of the word Ahmadinejad used in Farsi? Here’s one definition of “myth” I got off the internet.
A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal.
Notice that in this definition a myth doesn’t have to be false. And considering that you and I don’t speak Farsi, we really don’t know how it came out in that language.
Ahmadinejad has been asked directly about the Holocaust and he has said that he has no opinion. Since the comments the media cites are vague, we should take what he says when asked explicitly about the topic as his official position.
“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded to these calls for academic debate by threatening to strike Iran”
Please show me where an Israeli leader reacted in this or a similar fashion.
See here. Netanyahu uses the idea that the Iranian leader “denies the Holocaust” as part of the justification to strike the country.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/787766.html
This man is the true nut job.
Just to be clear- I have no special love for Muslims and would have no problem with kicking them out of all Western countries. But there’s no reason why the West and the Muslims have to have an antagonistic relationship at the international level.
Oct 3, 2009 12:07 pm |
Ahmedinejad isn’t intelligent enough to be part Jewish.
Not intelligent enough? Plenty of Jews are dumb as rock, non-Ashkenazis in particular.
Anyway, according to the Telegraph, Ahmedinejad was born a Jew, but converted to Islam as a child with his parents. He’s overcompensating regarding Israel.
Oct 3, 2009 12:50 pm |
“Ahmadinejad is not coming for me or anybody else I know. The Arabs and Persians would have no problem with the West if we didn’t.
A) support Israel
B) interfere in their part of the world
It’s the crazy globalists who run America sticking their noses in everybody’s business that inspires hate.”
I was never aware of this, until I read the books recommended by Ron Paul to Rudy Giuliani, after the latter disgraced the former, in one of the most disgraceful demagoguery ever seen during a presidential “debate”. See here for the Paul-Giuliani fragment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDND5tcUFoI
After that I went on to such books as Robert Pape’s “Dying to Win”, Scheuer’s “Imperial Hubris”, Walt/Mearsheimer’s “Israel Lobby” and John Esposito’s “Who Speaks for Islam: What a Billion Muslims Really Think” — Pat Buchanan’s columns are also fantastic on this issue. Like Richard, I also feel no special sympathy for Islam, muslims, Iran or Palestinians at all, but let’s get real already. Muslims may dislike/feel jealosy for us for our wealth and freedoms; they hate us because of what our governments does to them — often without our knowing.
I still support the Jewish state, but I can’t stand the way the whole censorship surrounding this issue. It’s unwestern, unwise and leads us to idiotic policies. Even after two ill-fated wars in the Middle East by the US and NATO, and a couple of minor battles by Israel, we’re again marching off to war. This time with Iran.
This must stop.
PS Here’s Ron Paul’s pretty funny press conference “Giuliani’s reading list”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZGHey7anhI&feature=player_embedded#at=34
Oct 3, 2009 4:25 pm |
“Notice that in this definition a myth doesn’t have to be false.”
So what? It’s clear from the context that Ahmadinejad was using the word “myth” (or its Farsi equavalent) to mean something he believes did not take place.
Sure, if you do enough mental gymnastics you can find a way to interpret the words in such a way as to make it so that Ahmadinejad is not denying the Holocaust. Just like the mental gymnastics the liberals do when they interpret the Second Amendment.
“See here. Netanyahu uses the idea that the Iranian leader ‘denies the Holocaust’ as part of the justification to strike the country. ”
I don’t see it. Can you QUOTE the part of the article you are referring to?
Oct 4, 2009 1:03 am |
Iran’s last military exercise featured missiles of 2,000 km range and is building ballistic longer range missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons. The distance to Tel Aviv is only 1,000 km. Iran is an Israeli problem, very much so, but also an European, Russian and world problem. All the clowning about the Holocaust is a distraction.
Imagine a world where you have an imperialistic Iran armed with nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. America fails to protect Israel, so it submits to Iran, like under Cyrus. We could live with that. Would it be safe for Europe, Russia and you?
Oct 4, 2009 7:37 am |
How are Holocaust deniers any crazier…
The vast majority of people who would likely be labeled as such are not crazy at all. Most of them are pretty intelligent, and are just logically following where the actual evidence — or lack of it — leads. However, some of them are anti-Semites who are too virulent in their condemnation of the ‘Holocaust industry’.
Many Germans would be glad to give a chunk of the former East Germany for the establishment of a ‘Jewish state’ — twenty years after reunification, large parts of eastern Germany are still economically desolate and veritable black holes into which public funds flow and then disappear.
Or perhaps send the Greek Cypriots back to Greece, and the Turkish Cypriots back to Turkey, and let the Jews have Cyprus.
Oct 4, 2009 12:42 pm |
Imagine a world where you have an imperialistic Iran armed with nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. America fails to protect Israel, so it submits to Iran, like under Cyrus. We could live with that. Would it be safe for Europe, Russia and you?
You are a typical, dissimulating jew.
Don’t use words like “fails to protect Israel” when America has no obligation to protect it.
And don’t be deceptive and misleading and try to present it as simply something that Israel can live with, and a much bigger problem for the US and the rest of the world.
Oct 4, 2009 2:26 pm |
I find it interesting that HBD websites, are the only websites on the internet where Nazis and Zionists vist regularly.
Oct 4, 2009 3:00 pm |
Sorry, Visit.
Oct 4, 2009 4:41 pm |
I will say it as flatly as possible:
**The Holocaust is not true**. For a synopsis of the origins of the myth, see here: http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconshr123.html (read the introduction if nothing else).
[The above was the executive summary. Here's a bit of further relevant commentary:]
What is so interesting about the ‘Holocaust’ is that — despite being almost completely untrue in its substance — the Holocaust narrative has become one of the founding myths of the modern western World Order. People are inculcated with a religious reverence for it and it animates their spirit and defines their definition of good and evil. This is reinforced constantly by the discourse-setters, largely Jewish in the USA of course. (See the Sailer post on the Top-50 Commentators a week or so ago). The take-home message of it all is that European ethnopatriotism is seen by most whites as, in effect, the Definition of Evil; that Europeans and especially German[ic]s should disappear as a service to humanity and to prevent this Cancer of Human History [European Man] from holocausting more innocent people[s], that the only way to redeem oneself from the Original Sin of Auschwitz is to be a slavish philosemitic/xenophilic SWPLer. This is the new quasi-religion of the West. Many have noted this in the past 20 years.
Again, this is particularly outrageous because the Holocaust narrative is almost wholly myth. Pretty much everything after “Jews were rounded up on a racial basis and placed in camps” is a lie/myth/remnant-of-black-propaganda/misunderstanding [See http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconshr123.html again for a fascinating study on the origins of the Holocaust stories-- it's well worth the read]. (The only part of the story with actual merit is that many large scale, semi-ad-hoc, in-the-field killings of Jews on the eastern front took place, by special anti-partisan units. The fear was the Soviet-Jews would turn partisan if left alone. This was not part of any plan to wipe out Europe’s Jews — no such order existed). (But it HAS been conclusively proven and reproven that not one of the prison/labor camps were mass killing centers.)
Many Jews died in the 1941-1945 period: likely around a million in the German sphere of all causes, tho ~0 “gassed”. But most European-Christian peoples east of the Rhine likewise suffered a catastrophe during that war: Proportionally more Germans died than Jews, and 1/3rd of Germany itself was ethnically-cleansed out of existence by Stalin (see maps of Germany before and after Stalin’s creative map redrawing).
Google “Holocaustdenialvideos” if interested further. Or CODOH for reading material.
….Not that this post will change anyone’s minds. It is incredibly hard to break through people’s deepst socialization, and the ‘Holocaust’ is likely the single largest pillar of western socialization going today. People will just not listen to “revisionists” on this issue, thinking them odd little cranks, generally. Even people that are more-or-less openly race-realist (i.e. totally non-PC) and indeed even the respectable “Semitoskeptics” like MacDonald are terrified of touching the Holocaust-Myth and have probably never even done any reading on the subject despite the plethora of scholarly work out there from the revisionists. It’s something akin to my own experience several years back when I first started testing the waters of racialism, around mid to late 2003 I’d say. Even after I agreed with the basic premise (whites have an identity to be proud of, and it is under threat), it took me a LONG time to actually reject MLK-as-Saint mythology. Because it had been socialized so deeply in my psyche. (I was in elementary school in the late 1980s through mid-1990s and MLK-Saint-mythology is one of the things I remember clearest “learning” from kindergarten onwards). Looking back on it, it felt like I was a character in Brave New World, struggling to stand against the might of one’s own socialization. Fortunately I was able to escape it. But how many others are actually capable of genuinely discarding their own socialization while the Ruling Ideology responsible for it still reigns?
Oct 4, 2009 11:30 pm |
Commenter “j” aka “Israeli Water Engineer” is what’s called a “hasbarat.”
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